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Newcastle v Arsenal – A Trophy That Now Matters Preview

lansbury celebrates after scoring v spurs in the last round of the Carling Cup

a repeat of this tonight please

This is all very strange isn’t it? Heading in to a Carling Cup match knowing that we are actually taking it quite seriously. It was in evidence at WHL that this had become the case although we did not know before the squad was announced that we would be going for the Carling Cup as if it was a proper trophy.

Makes a nice change.

Newcastle manager Chris Houghton has stated that they will look to rest key players ahead of their crunch derby match against Sunderland at the weekend so that can only bode well for us.  I don’t see this match being the walk-over so many are predicting (I will be delighted if I’m proved wrong) as Newcastle are a decent team at home and we must not forget that they beat a strong Chelsea side at Stamford Bridge in the last round. Cold autumn evenings in the norf are where you find out just how much your team really want it.

Rumour has it that Vela has been left out of tonight’s squad and I must say this disappoints me if it’s true (which I doubt it is). I was really looking forward to the Mexican’s return from his loan spell a few seasons back and you can’t help but wonder what has happened to the player that Wenger himself described as ‘the most natural finisher he has ever seen.’ To be effective Vela needs to be played through the middle, but his stature is such that hold up play is not his thing. Playing him on the left intermittently has not brought him on as has been hoped and with the jet-setting around the globe with Mexico and the injuries that brought with it, it is safe to say that he has been a disappointment.

It’s a shame, but I’m not prepared to write him off just yet. For further reasons why he may not have come along as we all hoped, see this excellent piece from Young Guns blog.

Team news ahead of tonight’s match and while we are going to see a relatively strong team fielded, you could argue that we could field a totally different 11 with the first teamers we will be leaving out (through choice, suspension or injury) – Fabianski, Sagna, Squillaci/Djourou, Vermaelen, Clichy, Song, Cesc, Jack, Samir, Arshavin, Van Persie and Chamakh.

So, it may be a strong team tonight, but it points more to our depth that we can almost change the entire team and still be seen as ‘strong’ and taking the competition ‘seriously.’ Not that you’ll hear much talk from the media about our strength in depth, they seem to be under some illusion that we are wafer thin beyond our first 11. In past seasons we have been, but that is because we have been plagued with injuries, often two or three in the same positions.

Anyone would seem to lack depth under those circumstances and don’t tell me they wouldn’t. If Man U or Chelsea changed all 11 first teamers would they still be described as ‘strong’? I don’t think so.

Anyway, who are we likely to see line up tonight for what I’m expecting to be a very good cup game between two committed sides? Well, this would be my prediction (different that from on the forum yesterday as to my shame I forgot about Henri):

Chesney
Eboue Djourou Koscielny Gibbs
Denilson
Rociky Lansbury
Walcott Vela
Bendtner

With a bench including: Fabaianski, Squillaci, JET, Eastmond, Nasri, Chamakh, somebody else.

The fact is, I’ve no clue who Wenger would put on the bench, but whoever he chooses will be more than able to do a job so we have no fear there. We could even see Cesc on the bench, not to be used, but more as a statement of intent.

And that statement of intent has already been issued. Wenger has acknowledged that we are going for every competition this year so should we fail to progress is shall be more painful than in past years where we simply dismissed it as the kids cup.

We now have to invest not only our hope that the Arsenal kids put in a performance, but our desire to see the team progress in what is a very winnable competition this year as well. Tomorrow morning there can be no ‘ah well, it’s only the Carling Cup,’ if we lose. It will be akin to being knocked out of the FA Cup – a far more painful experience when compared to watching the kids lose in the Carling Cup.

As was discussed yesterday we are dammed if we do and dammed if we don’t in this competition should we win it. Hoping that it would shut people up hammering on about ‘five years’ without a trophy (would you like to be like the Spuds with a Carling Cup in the past five years but no league title in 50?) should we win it we are likely to hear ‘sure it’s only the Carling Cup.’ Should we fail, well, then we’ll just have to win the FA Cup/Champions League/Premier League then won’t we? I might have to start shooting people if they start with ‘six years.’

Pah.

Tonight is more than winnable, but only if we are on our toes. Another Albion performance and we won’t get out of Newcastle with our pride even close to intact. Luckily, the mix of experience, youth, hunger and desire that is contained within the players we are talking up Norf should be enough to get us in to the quarter-finals.

Should be.

3-1 Arsenal, but I’ll take 6-1 or 1-0.

In other news reports are coming out that we are to offer Andrei a one-year contract extension. I wondered why it wouldn’t be longer than that so I went investigating. His current deal expires in 2012, a new one year would take him to 2013 at which point he would be 32 and you know Arsene and the over-30′s. At a reported £80,000 per week/ £4million per year, that works out at around £8,000 per yard run.

I jest, I jest. Well, sort of, there is no denying that he’s a lazy little bugger, but you also cannot deny his ability to change a game and his assist/goal record is one of the best.

Crazy but I love him.

That’s your lot for today apart from to say that the old blogspot blog should now be being redirected to this site, please update your feeds/bookmarks/scraps of paper as I will no longer be updating that site.

Cheers.

Interesting from Twitter:
RT @YoungGunsBlog: Marouane Chamakh: “For some players the dream is Barcelona or Real Madrid. For me, it’s always been Arsenal.” (via @Fuchsiab)

RT @BastardCujo: Chamack:

12 games

6 goals

4 assists

6 penalties won

4 red cards given for fouls on him

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  • Barndoor Bendtner

    I think the biggest difference between the strength of the squad this season is that AW is using it much more to give the 1st team benchwarmers a run out, especially if they need match fitness after injuries.
    This seems a much more effective way of conditioning the whole squad.
    I really want Vela to do his CC thing again. I was thinking about him when I was eating my chips last night (see what I did there?).
    There are so many youngsters that want/deserve a good run though. What a lovely problem to have. I would leave Chamakh and Nasri home for the rest. Isnt Wilshire available for this as its just the league he is suspended for. I can never remember whats what on that stuff.
    I would like the see Nordveit get some game time at the back tonight.

    • http://Www.ladyarse.com LadyArse

      Chips lol very clever :)

      Jack#s suspension applies to all domestic comps so league, carling and fa cup. It means he’ll only miss two league matchs, the weekend just past against Manc Ity and this weekend v West Ham – three match suspension done in a week, great stuff.

      I’d like to see Nordveit as well but he seems to have vanished

    • DC

      I think this partly explains it, but also a lot of the ‘youngsters’ now have quite a lot of experience and we are getting to a stage where we have two good/very good players for every position. Therefore it is a logical step that we will continue to have a stronger team appearing in the competition. Plus we have players who have been out injured and they need some playing time.

      I thought the first ten minutes was barnstorming! If we had scored with one we would have been out of sight by now. Still, I will take 1-0 after ninety minutes.

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  • Sam-gooner

    Rest assured Arshavin,Chamakh and Rosicky will grace the bench!!!!!
    Go Gunners!!!!!

  • CTGooner

    As much as I like the strong team I still would like to see players like Nordveit, Afobe, etc. to feature.

  • Tsion

    CTgooner well same I wante to see the like of afobe,anake and other but we can’t hv it both way can we?
    when we get kicked out, we whing but I think if we win it this year arsen will play the resrve and youth for years to come we just need to win something I don’t care waterver it is but a trophy n arsen can play under 16 side if he wants

  • http://www.joppas.wordpress.com Joppa

    The second string team is now very strong so there is no reason why we cannot go on and win this competition. I really think we should be looking to win it and don’t really care what the media say – I think it will lead on to greater things anyway as the side matures.

    Been very impressed this season apart from the WBA blip. I didn’t think the Sunderland game was a bad result, it was just a little sickening that they equalised with the last kick. The Chelsea match was predictable but since then we have come back well.

    Fabianski has impressed recently and maybe a strong defensive centre in the Jan window could see us kick on to finally fulfill our potential, let’s hope so.

    Just a final question. Why is it the media treats Fergie like a god when he treats the media like shit? Where as Wenger is always polite and always answers questions. I went to the Sky Sports website yesterday and 4 of the top 6 stories were about mundain Man U issues and the pretty much the same on the BBC. The media seems fixated on Man U and the English national side, both of which are very much in decline.

    • http://Www.ladyarse.com LadyArse

      I’ve aske dthat very same question many times Joppa, in fact, recently I even wrote about Wenger being curt with the press a few weeks back and he got far more favourable press the following day. It’s insane

    • DanKing

      The only close comparison I can think of is this:

      Quite a few pretty girls are obsessed with/want to date guys that treat them like shit. While the guys that are nice to them and respect them are constantly being treated like crap by them.

      Fergie treats the media like shit= they love him.
      AW treats them w/ respect and answers their questions= they treat him like shit.
      The one time this season AW treated the media like shit= media was absolutely in love w/ him in their articles the next day.

    • Michael

      The Sunderland result was so so but the performance was rank coming a few days after we played so well against Braga.

  • CLT Gooner

    LA, is the in game chat room now gone? I know you went to the last CL game, so I didn’t question that, but have you done away with it?

    • http://Www.ladyarse.com LadyArse

      Chat room should now be back up, don’t know if I’ll make it in tonight, but it will be open for anyone to use :) Let me know if there are any problems.

  • Michael

    Hopefully AA signs up. I know shortly after he signed he was complaining about how much tax he has to pay over here so I’ll guess will see how he really feels about the club.

  • Chris M

    Arsenal team to play Newcastle: Szczesny, Eboue, Djourou, Koscielny, Gibbs, Denilson, Eastmond, Rosicky, Walcott, Bendtner, Vela.

    Confirmed on Arsenal official twitter.

    • DanKing

      chesney’s finally playing and i can’t watch the game. i really want to see how he does.

  • B_Gooner

    4 – 0!!!!!!……….take that!!!!!!!

  • weedonald

    LA & Gunnerfans….we are seeing the fruition of AW’s 6 plus years of masterful planning, youth recruitment and development, strategic and tactical training, his intelligent and consistent transfer policies based on excellent scouting and his instinctive reading of potential plus an almost flawless understanding of the team’s makeup and needs. This is the apotheosis of superb financial and man management, true flowing, one-touch Football and his brilliant, persevering focus on molding a spirit, style and mental maturity worthy of Arsenal.
    This has all been accomplished despite external and internal critics,doubters, pseudo-fans, severe financial restraints and of course, the ever unforgiving and blinkered media. He is Arsenal’s greatest manager since Chapman and easily merits the title of best manager in the EPL alongside SAF (sadly not much of an award when you consider the likes of Fat Sam, Pulis, Hughes, Moyes and old twitchy…Redknapp, are his competition)!
    This current run of success, domination and strength coincides perfectly with the blossoming of Fabianski, Nasri, Wilshere, Gibbs, Czesny, Song, Diaby, the resurrection of Cesc, Bendtner, Walcott and Djourou and the astute confidence and faith Wenger has shown for Arshavin, Eboue, Denilson, Rosicky, Vela, along with his formidable recruitment of Vermaelen,Chamakh, Squillaci, Koscielny and Welington Silva.
    Just in case you were confused by the Brit press…the explanation is straightforward; SAF is the paparazzi’s Football equivalent of the Royals, basically untouchable but great script when he deigns to chew them out…this occasional confrontation sells papers, blogs, TV shows etc. despite SAF’s justified disdain of them most of the time. Wenger, on the other hand, when he acts like a gentleman, is not newsworthy so the press try and egg him on by ridiculing and demeaning his elegant continentalism. However when he acts a bit like SAF then he is elevated to the status of a Royal as well and subsequently gets the kid glove treatment.
    Wenger, unlike most Football managers, thinks 4-5 years ahead both in the financial and Football sense. He is creating the team of the future while he is achieving highly respectable results each year. His Arsenal stables are overflowing with thoroughbreds and champions material. His treatment of past,present and future players is exemplary – Eduardo,Campbell, Pires, Henry, etc. He is loyal, supportive and patient with his personnel and they reciprocate that. Those who don’t are moved on or leave and suffer the Arsenal curse like Falmoney, Adebaywhore,and Hleb.
    I defy anyone in world Football to find a manager(other than SAF) who has consistently done more for their club than Wenger, over their term as manager. Mourinho is a first class manager but hasn’t stayed around long enough to match SAF or AW. Spuds will soon pay the price for Redknapp’s slipperiness and so on.
    In Arsene we trust and praise him we must!!!

    • http://Www.ladyarse.com LadyArse

      Great post and while I agree that Ferguson is one of the greatest managers we’ve ever seen, would he have been so great without that chequebook? He has been restricted in the last few seasons and look how the wheels are starting to come off…

      Just saying….

      Of course I’m biased, but given resources and actual development of the club/youth Wenger will always be the best for me.

    • Michael

      I think you’re getting carried away a tad there weedonald !

      AW has been brilliant for us no doubt about it and the footy we play (mostly) is wonderful to watch but mistakes along the way.

      I notice you are writing this on the back of two terrific away wins. Where was AW masterful planning at Sunderland where our performance was rank just days after our wonderful display against Braga and then we have the WBA game where we find ourselves 3-0 down before we kicked ourselves into some sort of gear?

      I wouldn’t want to change AW but please lets not go overboard after two terrific wins.

      • weedonald

        Michael….I wrote this a few weeks ago for my Twitter blog, just after the WBA gam(, but decided that it was too optimistic) and more in response to the panicked cries for Wenger’s head than in blinkered rapsody for AW. I know the club isn’t perfect and that Arsene makes mistakes BUT overall he is wellahead of anyone else in Europe since he does wonders with little money. His philosophy of less is more and that beautiful Football can be winning Football is profoundly reassuring…..don’t worry I’m not like the Spuds who fanatsize and think that’s reality.

        • Michael

          No worries :-)

  • Iggy O.

    I agree completely Weedonald, and with your follow up LA.

    I also need to commend you LA on your astute accuracy of Sczesny. Hadn’t had the chance to see him in action, but the last 5 minutes of yesterday’s game ALONE is enough proof to see what quality that kid is. I think I was most impressed with that Superman punch at the end on their last corner kick. It went to the OTHER half of the field. Fabianski has trouble clearing the penalty box and Almunia just ends up missing completely. I only watched the second half of the match, but from what I saw, that kid did not make a single error. I think you mentioned it once before, but honestly I think the number 1 and number 2 spots should go to Sczesny and Mannone, but I’m prepared to also get behind Dear Flappyhandski, and then we can send Vito out on loan.

    Arsenal is just the best club in the world and the haters have no choice but to see it eventually. The trophies are most certainly on their way!

    (And how about Walcott and Nicklas “Best Striker” Bendtner last night?)

    Oh and Joey Barton is a piece of sh*t, prick, knobhead. He hurt Eastmond and almost put Fabregas out with another injury!!!

    • http://Www.ladyarse.com LadyArse

      Vito is already away on loan lol He joined Hull last week.

      There’s ‘something’ about Chesney isn’t there, like the way there was/is ‘something’ about Cesc and Jack.

      Joey Barton should be banned from the game for life

  • http://www.joppas.wordpress.com Joppa

    @LA, I logged on hoping there would be a match review (watched at pub). I was watching the game whilst playing poker but I didn’t think Arsenal were their usual fluent self last night despite the 4-0 win. The defence looked rocky at times and Djourou again was a bit of a worry.

    However Szchzney (spelling) looked superb. I commented at the pub that was a Schmiecel type save and sure enough when I get back they are saying the same thing on Sky. He looks a No.1 keeper to me all day long and seems ahead of Fabianski in my opinion. Hopefully he will find a way to claim the No.1 jersey. At the very least get him tied down to a new long term contract.

    Finally, I am not sure whether the commentators on Sky picked up on in but Barton is a fking disgrace. How can you go back of Eastmond (I think) and not get a yellow and then late on Fabregas. The guy should have been off and had clearly been told to go out and injure. Fkin wanker. No doubt it was laughed off by the Sky team.

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