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Arsenal – is it all in their heads?

I find myself very conflicted today. On the one hand I know that we didn’t see the energy levels from the team that we were expecting last night, but on the other hand I can see that they were very nervous and scared more about conceding than scoring.

The way Arsenal play, patient, patient, patient, makes it very hard to ‘surge’ in the way you see many teams who are losing in the last ten minutes. We were also very wary of conceding on the break which limited the amount of pressing to score which we were willing to do.

Since the game v West Ham, when we luckily scraped a win, I have highlighted that the main problem of this team as being mental rather than technical. Sure Andrei’s laziness doesn’t help, nor do Song’s new instructions which have him pushed more forward and looking like a man who isn’t sure if he should be attacking or defending an in the end does neither very well (please don’t come at me with his assists/goals and not being directly responsible for any goals we have conceded, if he was playing where he was last year he would be plugging a massive hole and the ball would not be getting to our defenders for them to do something stupid with it).

We have a very big mental problem in this team. Like rabbits in the headlights we freeze when the pressure is amped up and this is very concerning for a team hoping to aim for the title, but it is not insurmountable. I would more worried if they didn’t have the technical ability.

So, the ‘mental’ issue. Basically, we just can’t cope with pressure, and I’m not talking about the physical kind from being under bombardment from another teams attack. I mean the mental pressure of the expectations weighing down on them.

The technical definition of pressure is when the challenge that you are facing outweighs what you perceive your ability is. In other words, when you believe that the opposition is superior to you. When a player feels under pressure he is likely to feel more tension throughout his body,

Mentally he will demonstrate confusion, an inability to make the right decision, all wrapped in a lovely blanket of doubt and fear.

Sound familiar?

This then leads the players to tighten up, get tentative, and make mistakes which then reinforces the belief that he might not be good enough, that you can’t make the right decision, that someone else would be better dealing with this.

There was a reason the ball seemed like a hot potato last night – everyone was afraid of being the one who made the mistake that cost us the game, and as such, sought to rid themselves of the ball as soon as possible.

Confidence is the ‘cure-all’ and that is the main problem this team has – they have no confidence. For all Wenger’s overflowing belief in this team, it could actually be having a negative effect on the team. Like a parent who has very high expectations of a child, the feeling that you have to be perfect, like you have to be the best at absolutely everything, that you have to be perfect, is enough to make you afraid of doing anything for fear of making a mistake and upsetting them.

Our players see pressure as coming from outside sources – from the fans, from the media, from the opposition, but it doesn’t, it comes from within. Is that from inside the training camp? Or inside their heads? I don’t know, I don’t have that sort of access.

They need to look more at the process of what they are doing – worry more about what you need to do on a minute-by-minute basis rather than the overall result of the match. Deal with each minute in a match, not the whole 90 as a whole.

How does a team come to have a collective confidence issue? Well it’s easy to say ignore what others say about you, just believe in yourself, but we all know in reality it’s just not that easy. Many would like to believe that media and fan pressure has no bearing on how the team perform, but that’s simply not the case. How would you feel if everywhere you looked someone was saying you were a terrible example of a human being? How would you feel if someone kept repeating, over and over and over that everything you do is wrong? Would it matter if they were actually wrong, or would some of that make its way in to your own psyche?

Then you have the doubts, which are reinforced by bad results, results which might have come about because of bad luck, or injuries, or any other set of circumstances outside your control. Maybe you just had one bad day as can happen. This feeds on any doubt inside a players mind and heaps more ‘pressure’ on them to perform in the next match.

Man United set out to do a job last night – they set up to defend for all they were worth and hit us on the break. Why not, it’s what has worked for them before. Having experienced defeats like this so many times, the Arsenal team arrived on the pitch looking to be more tactically robust, and as a result we lost a lot of our ability to move the ball quickly to players as the players themselves weren’t moving. Afraid of being caught out of position, they didn’t move to make space. We know this team are not as solid as we would like defensively, but what we’ve always had is quick movement up front and a fast interchange of players. Take that from the game, throw in the ‘confidence’ issues and you get what looks like players not trying, not caring, not ‘giving it their all.’

You may laugh at what I’m about to say next, but I actually think it’s true – we were far better defensively yesterday. Far better than we had been on most of the other occasions we played them. They scored from a fluky header (well taken) which, nine times out of ten loops harmlessly in to the arms of the keeper or over the bar. You will point to Clichy making mistakes, but I will point on the number of times he actually robbed Nani of the ball but had no support to help him pick up the loose ball. Nani was usually closer to the ball Clichy had nicked away from him, so of course he was going to collect it first more often than not. What if Arshavin had been closer? Would he not have got that lose bal first, Clichy would have looked great for stopping one of Man United’s main threats, and we would have the ball able to spring an attack?

Instead, what you had was a left-back trying to do it all on his own.

Apart from Arshavin, I’d say that everyone tried to play a tighter, more tactical game. Knowing that most of Man United’s goals this season had come from the right we should have taken steps to address that. Leaving Clichy out there alone to handle the pressure of Nani was irresponsible. If Arshavin isn’t willing to put in the work to help defend, then he shouldn’t be on the pitch.

But even the tiny, lazy Russian managed more tackles than our defensive midfielder Song. His directive to get forward more often finds him in positions where one sublime through ball would have us in on goal. More often than not he is unable to find that pass. Why? Because it’s not in his locker to the extent that it is in Jack’s Nasri’s Rosicky’s, Van Persie’s, Arshavin’s or Cesc’s. His strengths are in breaking up play and then giving the ball to someone who can use it.

With time, Song might go on to show that he can find that pass, that Wenger was right to push him forward, after all, who am I to argue with the man who stood by Song for so long when we all wrote him off, but in the meantime, what we have is one of our most combative players putting in the fewest tackles because he is caught between attacking and defending and in the end doing neither effectively.

There was very little between these two sides yesterday apart from the post match reaction, Man United seemed to think they had played brilliantly, whereas we were castigating our team for another match in which we failed to show up. Take out Park’s goal and what do you have? We know we can get better, do better, be better.

We went for defensive solidity yesterday ahead of our natural, flowing football. We got caught out by a fluke goal and our own lack of belief.

Sometimes that’s all it is. Sometimes it is more than that.

What we need to do is realise which one it is.

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  • puppyguts

    i also thought it was probably our best defensive display of the season, but as you said we gave up our normal flowing play, 0-0 would have been the correct score line.
    although clichy did make some decent interceptions i also noted that he was willing to give nani way to much space on occasions. hope alarm bells are ringing in arsenes head about song’s positioning, surely this cn’t go on for much longer.

    united put in one of there best defensive displays iv seen this season, i cn’t imagine many other teams being able to break them down. i think our strategy was perfect and we would hav com away with a point if it wern’t for a fluky goal

    • ricospur

      how deluded can you be goons? united were comfortable and you were utterly toothless – not in the head simply not good enough time and time again against top sides in prem and europe

      • Anonymous

        Still ahead of you lot in the league though aren’t we? That’s the difference, we know that it’s not ‘just’ the matches against the big teams which matter, you have to beat ALL the teams in the league. We’ve had one of the worst starts in recent memeory to a league campaign and we are STILL ahead of Spurs.

        Worry about your own club and maybe one day you can worry about the types of ‘problems’ Arsenal have.

        • Anonymous

          PS When was the last time Spurs beat United?

          • charlie

            Stop embarassing yourself. It’s a sad state of affairs when we have to resort to bragging about being ahead of Tottenham in the league. Next you’ll be claiming we’re Eimrate Cup holders.

            This current Arsenal squad is weak, lightweight, lazy and arrogant. And the blame for that lays with one man: Arsene Wenger. We will never win another major trophy whilst he’s in charge.

          • Anonymous

            Who is bragging about being ahead of Spurs? We are merely pointing out the stupidity of someone who supports a club who are consistantly below us taking the piss out us for being crap.

            I’m not even going to entertain your last statement.

          • Alan

            “I’m not even going to entertain your last statement”

            Why because you can’t extract your head out of wenger’s arse long enough to do so?

            Nothing Charlie said there is wrong. The squad is physically weak and arrogant. You skirt about with your statements about mental blocks. What a load of flying turd. How embarassing. Just fcuking say it. NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

          • Weedonald

            Aside from the ignorant asses who come here to diss the Arsenal and Wenger, most of the comments make sense. However calling for a wholesale transfer splurge is neither helpful nor workable. Here are some pragmatic and realistic issues that need to be addressed:

            1) We don’t need any more keepers…Fab and Sczenzy are both more than adequate, with Sczenzy being the more promising of the two.
            2) We do need to use Djourou more often and once Vermaelen is back, they should be our starting CB…a great combination of height and aggressiveness. Squillaci and Koscienly are good backups but still error-prone.
            3) We have to settle the midfield and get some stability there. Cesc needs to return to full fitness and last year’s form, Arshavin should be dropped to the bench, Song should be told to return to being a holding midfielder and Nasri should be paired with Cesc, him being the attacking option and Cesc the playmaking option.
            4) Bendtner and Walcott need to be used more regularly and Chamakh needs a rest. Vela and JET could be given a run more often as well. RVP should be used as out main striker with Chamakh as backup.
            5) We should definitely continue the physical approach the Gunners showed last night, it almost got results and combined with our short passing game and ball control, it could provide us with a defensive strength we have lacked in the past.

            Despite the result, it appears the Gunners have added a new facet to their game, and this new-found assertiveness will work well against weaker opponents in the future,provided we maintain our traditional control game at the same level. The Tiny Totts are doing well this year and more power to them, maybe it’ll shame our players into actually giving more and caring more or at least the prospect that we could be neck and neck with the Spudsuckers sooner or later will light a fire under our players’ arses?

          • charlie

            Why am I ignorant for ‘dissing’ Wenger?

            Squillaci/Koscienly good back-ups? – they’re shocking m8

            Song is and will remain an awful awful footballer – he has no brains, no creativity, managed the sum total of one tackle last night

            Bendtner, Walcott and Vela. Agree with you, need to be used more often, preferably in the championship where they belong.

            Should definitely continue the physical approach, ALMOST got a result? Lol, jesus H christ, read it all now.

          • Krafty_Kiwi

            Charlie, your DVD of United beating Arsenal is in the mail… Try and keep ya hand off it till then.

          • Weedonald

            Charlieboy…..ignorance come from a lack of information and perspective about all the issues behind an event (our loss to Manure) and a willingness to jump in and join the critical bandwagon,regardless of the facts and the reality. I watched the same match you did but saw different things, which I noted in my blog;

            1) Our approach wasn’t beautiful, I’ll give you that and there were a bunch of lazy arses out there BUT
            Cszensy was top class and made some wonderful saves.
            2) Chamakh, had he converted Nasri’s rebound, would be the flavour of the month again at Arsenal.
            3) Our defense dealt with Rooney,Nani, and company quite soundly, regardless of the result. however Djourou and Vermaelen are more solid and bring more to the match than do Squillaci and Koscielny…but all four offer promise for the rest of the season.
            4) Song is not doing what he does best, he has been tactically ill-used as an attacking midfielder, AW must return him to the defensive,holding midfielder role he did so well last year. you would see a much better and watertight defense in that case.
            5) Wenger makes the strategic and tactical decisions and I do fault him for failing to find the key to open defensive stonewalling like Manure did BUT he has found the right combinations and motivated his players to the point that we are still in it almost halfway through the season….

            You have a God given right to criticize poor team, managerial and player performances, as we all do, but this is OUR club and negativism, depressive generic statements and unjustified pessimism at this stage in the season are unwarranted and unwelcome and bring us nothing but ridicule from Football fans and supporters elsewhere. I for one will reserve my knives and daggers, if needed, for the end of the season and should we fail again to shine, then Ill fly over to the Emirates and picket in front of Wenger’s and the management’s boardroom until they finally listen to their supporters!
            Here’s hoping and believing I won’t have to do that! :)

          • Krafty_Kiwi

            Weedonald is spot on…

            I wonder how many Gooners troll Tottenham blogs? It reminds me of the big brother/little brother relationship NZ has with Australia – we take as much as we can from the little victories (e.g. Australia getting beaten by the Poms in the Ashes), but deep down we know that they will always dominate us in sports…

            Back on topic… I don’t think there was much between the sides at all last night, the entire match was a horrible display of football – must’ve been terrible for the neutrals. Personally I think Clichy had an excellent game, the problem was he was left totally exposed by Arshavin. In contrast, I don’t think I can recall a single time when Evra was left to deal with Nasri on his own…

            Once United went one up they, predictably, shut up shop, save Rooney hovering up front. I’m hard pressed to to imagine any team breaking them down the way they defended in the 2nd half….

            Was it a huge disappointment, yes… But I, for one, am going to reserve my panic stations until after we face Chelsea on boxing day.

          • charlie

            Kiwi, stick to rugby union m8 because you know sweet fa about English football. ‘Save Rooney hovering up front’ Erm, mate, Utd played a 5-4-1 formation – have a guess who was the one? Frankly embarassing when people spout on about something they have limited knowledge of.

          • charlie

            Everything ricospur said was spot on – what’s to argue about the statement?

            You don;t think this current Arsenal squad is lazy, lightweight, weak and arrogant then? Who busted a gut last nite apart from 19yr old Jack? Who got outmuscled almost every single time at the back, Vidic/Ferdinand or Koscienly/Squillaci? Who is so arrogant as to not address our obvious weaknesses in the middle and at the back and hasn’t done for 5 years.

            Wenger keeps telling us what he’s serving up is cavier, more like horsemeat to me.

          • Weedonald

            LA why do you rise to the bait?…………Don’t waste your time and life listen to these whining underachiever ¨fans¨ pissing in their beers about how: Arrogant,weak,lightweight,chokers,etc. ad nauseam. We will see what transpires from now until May and then we can all sit down and either heave a collective sigh of relief or despair.
            Most of us love the Arsenal (you LA are more than just in love with them) and can wait to the end of the season to assess the team, others need to shit all over everyone,including the players,the management and manager, the majority of supporters who don’t agree with their gloom and doom Titanic scenarios and who have a perseverance and loyalty that the whiners and denigrators can only be envious of. Before anyone says we’re deluded,blinkered and have our collective heads in the sand……We are well aware of Arsenal’s failings (you’d have to be hidden in a cave not to see them regularly reviled and criticized on this webblog) and needs to improve BUT we know that it is possible and more likely to happen than your pessimistic, knee-jerk, morally bankrupt, bleak disaster-ridden scenarios and scourging of everything Arsenal.
            How can anyone who pretends to be an Arsenal supporter,write them off now? When Spuds were going through their bleakest patch at the start of this season, their fans booed them off at WHL because they deserved it but it was still a total lack of class. Liverpool, a once mighty club is mired in mid=table ignominy but they still get full houses at home and YNWA rings out regardless of their current situation…that is class.
            Is this site a magnet for pessimists?

          • John

            You haven’t beaten any of the top 2 in eleven attempts. Whereas spurs beat Chelsea (at least at home) in 3 of the last 6 seasons. Besides, I love the way you compare everything you do with Tottenham. Funny how you notice your ‘shadow’ a hell of a lot more now.

            Spurs are on the up yes but there’s no denying that Arsenal are on the decline. What is that 5 defeats already and 2 were against newly promoted sides at home. And yet you sat there mocking how spurs would cope with the dual role of CL and PL football. Not quite as low as you hoped huh?

            You guys should sing ‘are you tottenham in disguise’ to your own team as the only ones flattering to decieve is you.

            Passing for the sake of passing. Full of excuses brought down from the manager who has created a culture that failure is OK as long as their is a ref, pitch or star formation to blame. Arsenal players don’t have heart, passion or a will to win. The manager is predictable with his approach. 433 week in week out and same old subs. The talent is there. No major injury list to cling on to this year. No big bad stoke to cause Wenger nightmares. All the problems are with your own club.

            I think you will find it’s not a mental issue with Arsenal but a cultural one now. No talkers on the pitch, should a couple snood clad bambi’s who prefer to play teams like fulham who will just stand idly by and let them score.

          • Anonymous

            Yea, I started the whole Tottenham thing, had nothing to do with one of their supporters coming in an Arsenal blog did it? You’re the one who mentioned them five times in one comment.

            Arsenal on the decline? That’s just ridiculous. Second in the league, in the Carling Cup semi final and through the the knoack outs in the Champions League, all while playing far from our best. Write off a team who are mostly in the early 20′s if you want, I’m not prepared to do it,

          • Steve

            I think you will find a number of spurs fans come on here because you so regularly talk about tottenham. The best one of all is when you today denied any gooner from coming at you with stats to prove you wrong about Song but you love throwing stats to prove your theory that Gareth Bale (who I am certain you are obsessed with) is an average or overrated player.

            Of course when Theo Walcott scored a hat-trick against croatia, you were very quick to criticise the media for getting carried away. Nah didn’t think so.

          • charlie

            More myths – early 20s, you sure?

            Sagna 27 Clichy 25 Koscienly 25 Squillaci 30 Rosicky 30 Nasri 23 Jack 19 Arshavin 29 Song 23 Chamakh 26 – average age 26

            excuses, excuses, excuses, excuses

          • charlie

            - Second in the league, in the Carling Cup semi final and through the the knoack outs in the Champions League – straw clutching going on there lol, had the weakest champ league group and still managed to finish runners-up, we won’t be 2nd come May and as for the Carling Cup – pmsl, do me a favour – even WBA rested their entire 1st team in the semi-final – EMIRATES CUP CHAMPIONS tho eh

      • Gooner77

        We’re not deluded Rico, we just know that as a club we can do better. We’ve won the title at Old Trafford before, you lot haven’t even won a game there in god knows how long. I don’t expect the current team to win a big prize and nether do many fans, this is why we’re frustrated. However even when we’re some way off being a great side, we’re still above you lot in the league

  • oliver

    interesting post, and an interesting angle to approach our problems from. i think it is clearly in our players heads, and there is no doubt with me that they froze last night. just as they did against chelsea – and may do again post-christmas. i think the pass, pass, and pass some more style of play is symptomatic of this. nobody is willing to really have a go, so we endless pass the ball, trying to work an opening that never comes – instead of someone taking responsibility, and potentially making a mistake.

    overall, this is something that i think is on arsene. i saw little leadership in the side last night, mostly a bunch of players sticking to what they have been trained to do, and hoping it will work. nobody seemed to want to make their own luck – united did and scored a flukey goal.

    this group of players has generally failed in big spots – cl qf/sf, games against the top two, games we need to win to stay top of the table – i don’t think they know how to win these types of games. united do – they prioritize substance (winning), while we prioritize style. until we can either get over the hurdle and win a trophy – and the carling cup is the best opportunity we’ve had in a long time – or draft in some experienced quality players who have led other clubs to trophies, we will continue to struggle in these big spots.

  • Arsenaloid

    Wenger must LEAVE. That’s it and that’s how it ENDS

  • Anonymous

    I agree with LA and oliver on this. The problem is that this has been the same thing for the past few seasons. I didn’t get to see the game but from everything I’ve read Chesney was really the only player to show that confidence. We need more players that have his and the Verminators mentality. That’s what it takes, and unfortunately we don’t have that. I think AW has touted them as young inexperienced players for so long that they believe it themselves. After 2 full seasons you are no longer inexperienced no matter how young you are.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7GCTL7BY42YEX4ZVBHZFXVAKJA Young Lu'

    The next question is, what’s next ?
    We all know what’s going to happen next: they will (probably) beat Stoke, and then lose against Chelsea.
    Even in their awful form, they’ll find a way to hit us on the break or score a freekick while we harmlessly pass the ball around their penalty box. I don’t think anyone will disagree with me if I say this will be the exact scenario.
    I’m definetely not being negative: it’s been happening for 2-3 years now and it will most likely happen again. Arsene Wenger is the best manager in the world, and I dread the thought of him retiring, but his tactics are shit. When was the last time we scored against Chelsea ? That 1-4 spanking 2 seasons ago wasn’t it ? For some reason (I’m no expert) our passing game does not work against Chelsea and Man Utd, I don’t know why, but it’s clear that our tactics suit these 2 teams.
    I have no idea how the sneaky twats from Cataloony do it, but their tactics are working, and ours keep failing.
    Still, we lost 2-0 to Chelsea and 1-0 to Man Utd. If memory serves me right, we got spanked 3-1, 1-4, 3-0 and 1-3 in 2009. Let’s pray for draws next year.

  • Anonymous

    I love it when one person posts as mutiple people to back themselves up….here’s a hint people..I can see you!

  • Yidal

    To be fair Spus have had terrible injuries the whole season to date, so to be where we are is pretty good considering we have been competing in the CL for the first time too.

    It is interesting to see that Arsenals last 11 games against Chelsea & MU, reads lost 10, drawn 1. Thats not good by anyone’s standards. Even Spurs.

    You are higher in the league so that is good for you – well done. I still think its crazy people say Wenger should go though, second in the league and KO in the CL.

    Im proud though of Spurs, we have a lot to be excited about and everyone enjoys our games. I think its fair to say you have had a better team for a long time now but its pretty equal now. We though have always had far better, more vocal support than you. I really think Arsenal fans should look at themselves and how much they contribute at home games rather than being so quiet.

    • Anyname

      Yep agree with that 100%. It’s known that at Emirates you are looked at funny for daring to raise your voice. Not that any gooner would actually admit this….because they love to keep quiet :)

    • Weedonald

      Yidal….I like your sentiments and actually feel you have a more objective, realistic view of Arsenal. The so-called Arsenal fans on this blog are ridiculous with their kick Wenger’s arse or fire this guy or transfer this player talk. Yes the Spuds are performing very well this year and more power to them, it promises some real competition to the big spenders and traditional powerhouses in the EPL. I would,given the choice, rather see the Spuds into the top 4 than Manchestless shitty with their sheik Mansour and their contentious, whining kindergarten of ¨superstars¨who earn so much and still can’t perform to their vaunted level!
      Our fanbase, the ones you don’t hear from, are good supporters although only really vocal away from the Emirates. Are they dissapointed in their team….YES. Are they jumping overboard and commiting hara-kiri because of last night’s result…NO!
      Let’s face it, the EPL is evolving, Shitty,the Spuds, even Bolton are threatening our little private top 4 club, and Liverpool is floundering in mid-table….who would have predicted that 2 years ago? This is wonderful in my opinion as it will open up the EPL and provide some long needed fresh blood. Cheatski and Manure are not the superteams they have been, Arsenal are struggling to find form and by the grace of God alone are still in the hunt, despite having a dreadful win-loss record so far. Who in their right minds could complain about any of this? I would laugh my ass off if ,at the end of the season the Gunners win it, Spuds come second and Manure, Cheatski and Manchestless Shitty fight it out for the last 2 places in the top four. Any combination is possible….but as always,onlytime will tell!

  • puppyguts

    both teams were determined not to concede, we lost to a flukey goal
    no reason to lose your heads

    as i said earlier there are very few teams in the world that can score against man united with eleven men behind the ball.

    the most frustrating thing for me as an arsenal supporter is knowing when we play against united and chelsea they will be playing like most teams do against us and focus all there energy on defending, its interesting to see how chelsea and united approach have changed this season; as our team has become physical they are even less willing to commit players and are solely playing for counters.

    i guess the reality is if teams like chelsea and man u continue to defend like maniacs against us its goin to be close to impossible for arsenal to even score a goal not because its arsenal but because no one can score against teams of this calibre if they are solely playing to stop the opposition scoring, arsene knows this and was ultimately hoping for a draw

  • Anonymous

    Seriously Steve/Anyname/Alan/John do you think I don’t know you’re one person or are you just trying to demonstrate how sad you are, trolling an Arsenal site pretending you’re not the only one?

    As I said before I CAN SEE YOU….

  • http://twitter.com/reznuk Steve

    Good blog today, poor result last night. But interesting how reason and reasonable analysis seems to escape some people. I suspect that the dissenting voices will grow until Wenger, and a number of our young starlets go, and then what? Back to the bad old days? Join the rest of the division on the Manager merry-go-round?

    The difference between the teams was more than just Park’s flukey/brilliant goal – United’s passing was crisper and more accurate. Having said that, they’re clearly not the team they were either and it strikes me that if Arsenal played with more passion/belief/mental strength(?) then they could have overcome a reasonable defensive display by United.

    In the end though, even if we won the league this season, there would still be sizable set of people who would continue to be hyper-critical. You truly cannot win with some people, no matter how reasonable, accurate or true your arguments.

    • http://twitter.com/jopparoad Joppa Road

      Bad old days? We have never been a manager merry-go-round type club. What people are not asking is did Man U really have to play well to beat us last night? By all accounts they didn’t. What does that say about us and our so called superior ability? All this talk about it’s all mental is nonsense. Simple fact is we haven’t been good enough the last few seasons for one reason or another. Losing 5 of 17 league games is not title winning form.

      I admit to falling into the trap of thinking we were going to beat Man U last night and it was going to be a watershed moment but simple fact is we were no where near good enough. Dress it up with one excuse or another but this team isn’t good enough. Its just about good enough for top 4, most consider that success – I am not one of them.

    • charlie

      ‘Having said that, they’re clearly not the team they were either and it strikes me that if Arsenal played with more passion/belief/mental strength’

      And why don’t this current Arsenal squad play with any passion/belief/mental strength? No-one has a divine right to win things but we do have a divine right to expect our players to give a damn, they don’t.

      Once again, only one man to blame for this culture at our club – Arsene Wenger.

    • Weedonald

      Steve…….how true your comments are! There are some bloggers who, regardless of what occurs, will find the cloud in the silver lining and it seems to me to be a psychological thing. We have become desperate for success of any kind and when we fall short, the baby is thrown out with the bathwater. Bloggers get on their Fantasy football Manager high horses and start ripping apart the club,the players, the manager, the style of Football we play, the ¨lightweight¨ and ¨heartless¨ manner of our failures and so on. This reveals an underlying failure of confidence and tolerance for their club. It is better to say we have a bunch of losers who won’t win anything AGAIN, than look at the bigger picture and say we need to take the season one game at a time and that the potential to improve is equally probable as the possibility of failure, and perhaps more probable because we have professionals in charge who can turn things around and impact players who are coming back into form. These bitchers want to be able to say I told you so….nah,nah….and I say go support another team!
      We haven’t been overwhelming so far this season but we haven’t been a Liverpool either. we are 2nd in the EPL and still in the CL and in the Cups so everyone take a deep breath and relax…by the grace of God we are still fully in it!!!

      • puppyguts

        well said.

  • Bala

    Good performance from Chesney and Kosh.Arshavin has to dropped for Walcott who is starting to show the form he showed before his injury.Also the guy who has stealed TR7′s shooting boot please give it back to him.Its much wanted now

  • zaMir

    I am so tired of these polarized c*nts saying Arsene needs to be sacked. Things aren’t “either or” in real life.

    I am totally with LA on the attributes of the goal. There is a difference between heading a ball and putting your head in it’s path. Park did the latter. Also, Nani was going for a shot on goal… balls bounce into goals sometimes.

    Clichy was my man of the match. He totally made Nani his little bitch and got the best of him almost every time.

    We didn’t create, but we showed that we can defend if called upon. I am pleased with what was achieved. ManU are a more able team, at the moment… like the bumblebee that didn’t know it couldn’t fly.

    Also how about that assault on Sagna, Fletcher pushing the ref and Rooney blasting a penalty. I don’t see anyone reading that much into those things.

    Ah well, bring on the neanderthals from the north.

    • charlie

      ‘I am pleased with what was achieved’

      Are you for real m8?

      We got out-played, out-muscled and out-fought by Man Utd. We created one solitary chance, we were over-run and made to look the lightweights we are.

      Nani was Clichy’s bitch? Good god I’ve read it all now.

      • zaMir

        Welcome to the internet argument:

        Yes

        No, not realy.
        Well sometimes – but then again any side would be outmuscled by Vidic’s karatekick…
        Plain no
        Not true… as we had a couple of shots both on goal and wide… so – depends on your definition of chance
        HELL NO! scoreline said 1-0.

        And finally Yes he was…

        • Trugun

          I’m with Charlie on this Zamir, you sure as heck didn’t watch the same game as us. As for your last quote, nani was clichy’s bitch, whatever you’r on it can’t be legal.

  • Anonymous

    LA I really thought you would tear into them, I’m a bit taken a back to be honest. You’re writing is top class. I would expect to see something like that in The Telegraph or The Times but I was brought up with The Sun and The Mirror in my house so here goes……..

    Let’s hear it then from all the Arse fans who think we can still win the league, we’re only a couple of points off top, you cry, there’s still time, anything can happen ! Bollocks !

    Let’s get this straight that was a gutless, weak, passionless, rank performance and that wasn’t just AA ! We were giving the ball away at will and were miles to slow when it came to closing them down. I’m struggling to think bar MC’s chance that Vidic blocked did we threaten their goal at all ? We just don’t seem to be able to function  as a team. Defensively we were better, but this time the midfield and the forwards decided to nod off ! Next week it will be the other way around !

    AW talks the talk, always bigging up the team but can’t walk the walk anymore, when it comes to the big games ! So what do we do Gooners, say nothing, and just continue on because AKB or seek change ?

    Evra was right, the shit, when push comes to shove we get shoved aside ! Once again he talked the talk and walked the walk. I’m no lover of Fletcher but he wanted the win. I didn’t see that fight in any of our players !

    Stoke next, that will be interesting, no point showing the players the video of Rambo getting injured as I’m sure it wouldn’t fire them up ! After them I believe it’s Chelsea, who will be looking forward to getting their season back on track as ours goes down the pan ! 

    The Arse are in your blood, you can’t divorce them, there with you for life, but I wonder why I care so much when I see yet another piss poor performance like that ! 

    If someone comes on here and says stop being negative and get behind them, I’m sorry, there is no hope for you ! Something needs to change and it’s not my attitude !

  • http://twitter.com/jopparoad Joppa Road

    Well said mate. I held back in my reply because I simply cannot be bothered with all the excuses anymore. It’s clear I am never going to feel the same as LA or others on whats best for the club so there is really no point in ranting. 5 defeats in 17 says it all. Not good enough, too many average players, not enough heart or fight, bad tactics from Wenger. De ja vu…blah blah, my pre season analysis still rings more true than all the posts I see written.

    • http://twitter.com/jopparoad Joppa Road

      ps. this was in reply to Skid’s comment.

    • Anonymous

      If your post was meant for me Joppa, thank you.

      This is definitely a crisis in my book. As fans we all want the best for our team but I am struggling to find any positives out of the game. We flatter to deceive in the big games, there is a problem over there. When AW starts complaining about the pitch rather than tearing them a new arse hole it’s getting laughable. I know he won’t come on TV and slag them off but maybe it’s what’s needed to wake this sleeping giant !

  • Bala

    For all the spudies who think they r better than Arsenal , Even Bolton have a better goal difference than Spurs

    • Ricospur

      never said we were better than you just that you sure as hell arent as good as you say you are, last night proved it united were comfortable.

  • Anonymous

    I and I’m sure Joppa, Charlie and Oliver will get no pleasure in being proved right come May when there will be no title on the mantelpiece. Yes we should have the CC but even that’s not nailed on the way we’ve started the season. If we do win it and continue to do so poorly in the league I wouldn’t call it a successful season.

    I can take not winning a trophy I really can, but I want to see us moving in the right direction but this season we have gone backwards, even the most blinkered fan must see that. I can see us continuing in this patten of win a couple, lose a couple. They haven’t showed us they can get out of this slump yet and with AW stating no one is coming in come January I can’t see it changing.

    I have always lived in Islington and I’ve always lived 30 minutes or so from Highbury/Emirates. I have my Son, my Mum and a couple of best friends and then it’s the Arsenal. The Arse are incredible important to me even at 46 my weekends are shite if we lose. I didn’t have talksport on yesterday at all because I didn’t want to hear them going on how we’re not good enough !

    Anyway, Stoke up next we surely owe them one, 3pts is a must I won’t except anything less and nor should you !

    Come on you reds !

  • Kipmonster

    Yet another insipid lily livered powder puff display in a big game by the most gutless bunch of players to have represented Arsenal FC in living memory.

    The only bright spot being Szczesny in goal who actually looks like a PROPER goalkeeper !! …………. Big physical presence, agile & confident. Does NOT look like an accident waiting to happen like the other 2 clowns.
    Of course we know what happens next as the ‘ head & shoulders ‘ best Keeper will be relegated to the bench once Flappianski is 100% fit……… CRASS STUPIDITY !!

    Szczesny’s assured performance was remarkable considering the jittery shambles of a defence in front of him. United’s chances were creations of feeble headers & clearances by our back four.
    2 hapless Centre Backs, Clichy who years ago looked like he would advance way past Ashley Cole as a left back but who instead has alarmingly deteriorated with his regular repetitive mistake of getting caught in possession in dangerous positions rather than clearing immediate danger. Many goals have been conceded as a result yet he persists playing in the same manner.
    Sagna was excellent in his 1st season but since has deteriorated into a very average player.

    The defence & goalkeeping positions at the club are what have & will continue to cost Arsenal major silverware. It has now gone way past the stage where Mr Wenger can be accused of being blinkered or stubborn. It is now simply NEGLIGENCE on his part that the same failings continue to dog the team.

    Stupid again was Fabregas’s appearance on the pitch.
    Arsenal should do what United did with Rooney & send Fabregas away to a sunny warm location to recover 100% from the injury with an appropriate training program however long it takes. It is one area of the team where such a desperate player selection is unnecessary. We want & need a 100% fit & firing Fabregas & NOT a shadow player who will tweak the injury again & be outr again & on & on goes the repetitive saga.
    Mr Wenger has always had the image of man of high intelligence but his actions here are ridiculous as was his decision to field a weakened team in Donetsk. A strong team sent that would very likely have won the game would have ensured 1st place qualification & he could have played as weak teams as he pleased in the final 2 matches. Short sightedness will make further progress very difficult but then again as I no longer believe ‘ Winning Silverware ‘ is Mr Wenger’s motivation then I guess it doesn’t matter.
    Simply qualification for the latter stages & a Top 4 Premier League finish by evidence of attitude are the aims each season.

    Mr Wenger’s desired legacy is not one he wants measured by the amount of major silverware won but a financial one whereby when he walks away it will be the legacy of a state of the art training ground & a virtually paid off new stadium.
    It leaves smiling hugely the shareholders at the club whose share values rise & rise as the genuine paying fan continues to assist funding this state of affairs paying far & away the highest prices whilst both the Club & the Manager take umbrage if such a fan dares to complain about the strategy.
    ‘ Pay Up & Shut Up ‘ is the motto of Arsenal Football Club since the move to the Emirates.

    It is laughable that the ‘ AKB ‘ bash in the ‘ blogosphere ‘ Arsenal fans who criticise the club &/or the manager.
    The vast majority of the ‘ AKB ‘ are ‘ fans ‘ who rarely if ever pay a penny to go & watch the team but forever are remote whilst condemning those who do.
    Even worse when a member of the ‘ AKB ‘ is effectively stealing from & defrauding the club with their unlicensed merchandising. ……… DISGUSTING !!

    • http://twitter.com/reznuk Steve

      I admit to openly laughing at that last paragraph – what a moron.

      Sometimes you people who seem to thrive on hate need to realise that not everyone who is positive about Arsenal belongs to the “Arsene Knows Best” brigade. And using that label as a general insult is stupid anyway.

      I’m not a ‘never pay a penny’ person by the way, I’m a season ticket holder who also goes to a fair amount of away games, and I thought the performance against United was very poor, *but* I’m absolutely never going to agree with you and your ilk who simply want Wenger out at all costs.

      And who are you to claim to know what Wenger wants his legacy to be? You don’t know him. To claim he doesn’t want silverware anymore is plain stupidity.

      • Anonymous

        I agree, to imply that any of us know what Wenger wants is simply ridiculous, and to say that a man who has strived to be a winner all his life would suddenly stop wanting to win trophies? Seriously?

        • http://twitter.com/jopparoad Joppa Road

          I can agree with all the above to a certain extent but at what point do you say this team isn’t good enough and stop trying to paper over the cracks? When does that point arrive? Is it another 5 years, is it at the end of the season? What would be a reasonable time frame for not resorting to ‘we have a beautiful new stadium and are financially prudent’ argument? Just curious to know if Wenger could ever fail in your eyes (LA and Steve). Would you say five more years? Would just like to know. Perhaps the time frame is limitless as long as we are top 4?

          • Anonymous

            I wouldn’t say time is limitless, but I do believe what has been put in place over the past five years gives us room to ‘allow’ for no trophies. The time is here now to be seriously challenging and winning things and I believe we will see that happen over this season and next. If not, come back to me and see what my opinion is then, for now Wenger still has my support in what he is doing and while I can’t envisage a day when he won’t have my support, I will not be afraid to say when I think we need to make a change.

          • Anonymous

            Good point again Joppa ! I think you’re spot on with regards to CL footy as long as we have it and the millions come rolling in you know the board will be happy ! The way we’ve been playing though a top four finish isn’t guaranteed this season.

            I’m sure I read yesterday that one of the top journalists stated AW won’t buy big as buying big would mean he would have to guarantee a trophy, he has a point !

            I was checking out the Arse website and it said that people should tweet in there thoughts of the Man U game and they would print a selection of them. Well I’m guessing they couldn’t publish any of them because I can’t see them anywhere !

          • http://twitter.com/reznuk Steve

            Good point, Hmmmm, timeline – Well most of our ‘youngsters’ may still be relatively young, but they’ve had plenty of experience now. If you’d have asked me last season I’d have said THIS season was the one I wanted to start seeing them come good, so maybe still without any trophies, but certainly showing that they’re capable of them, and challenging for top position in the league and semis of the Champions League. To be honest it’s not THAT much further on from last season, but just starts to see them peeking through. And probably 2011/12 being the season that sees them start to win lots and lots of trophies. Another two seasons then, and if the team is no further forward, then I would say Arsene Wenger’s time is drawing to a close.

            That doesn’t say he should go immediately – I think a proper succession should be put in place for a start. But yes, if pressed then, I’d say by the end of next season we should know.

            But…. I’m never going to be one of those shouting “Wenger Out”.

      • Anonymous

        We’re having a poor season Steve I think you might agree to that. So how are we going to get out of this slump, just cross our fingers and hope it turns out ok in the end ? If you check out some of the other blogs the majority of people on there are not happy. I don’t know if you are noticing it at games but I feel there’s trouble brewing over there. I don’t want him to go but not addressing the keeper/defence problem is just asking for trouble. I think if the crowd start to get restless he could be off at the end of the season.

        • http://twitter.com/reznuk Steve

          We’ve had a few poor games, but in what sense are we having a poor season? We’re second in the Premier League, through to the semi-finals of the Carling Cup and through to the knockout stages of the Champions League. Oh and our injury levels are lower than ever.

          Now I’ll be the first to admit that getting there hasn’t exactly been the walk in the park that everyone wants, and the team hasn’t been the most brilliant at times, but how are you measuring success?

          I’ve addressed this issue on my own blog before and read it on lots of others – Wenger is a stubborn man, but if you think he doesn’t see (privately, and why should he acknowledge it to the baying hounds in the British press) the mistakes his own team make you’re not giving him any credit as a man never mind as a manager. He thinks he can fix it – thinks he can get the team playing better. I think he can, maybe not immediately but soon.

          I do agree with you about the crowd though but only to say that the lack of support for the team from the home crowd is shocking. When players make mistakes the crowd groans and gasps, but doesn’t come back singing (as the Arsenal away crowd do). If Wenger leaves for any reason at the end of this season it’ll be because a proportion of people (fuelled by the internet arguments raging now) will hound him out.

          • Anonymous

            It looks good on paper but if you break it down the dropping of points at Sunderland along with the poor performance and then you’ve got the home defeats to WBA, Newcastle and the Spuds and Monday nights rank performance. We should be four or five pts clear. After five years this is where we should be kicking on ! Follow that up with the defeats at Shaktar and Braga, Braga were so poor ! It’s not good ! If he is seeing the mistakes why isn’t he doing something about it ? There’s been enough of them ! He has already said he’s not buying in and I think he’s asking for trouble. As I’ve said before shouldn’t we be buying some quality players rather than hoping our bargain buys are going to turn out to be world beaters ? He’s not helping himself !

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