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Arsenal – The good, the bad, and the ugly

One day, it the not too distant future, I envisage a utopia, a land where Arsenal fans no longer need cardiac care when Arsenal take to the field against so-called ‘weaker’ opposition. Perhaps it was my own fault, after all, I had the temerity to expect Arsenal to brush Partizan aside in the same way they had Braga and Shakhtar at home.

It wasn’t an overly unrealistic expectation. We are, after all, The Arsenal.

When the match started the tempo which I expected wasn’t there and this was quickly followed by lazy passing, flicks and tricks being tried when a simple pass would have done, and basically what seemed to be a lack of concentration.

Of course, Partizan got their game plan absolutely perfect for the most part – let us dominate, even let us take the lead, defend the midfield, force us wide, show absolutely no threat, all while knowing full well that we would conspire to give them a goal or two.

Only the one this time.

I’m not overly feeling this blog today, so in a bid to get something out, I’m going to do it this way:

The Good:

Van Persie completed 90 minutes without falling apart.
Van Persie got his first goal in seven months.
Eboue had a very strong game at left back. Is it coincidence that he plays better on the left, the side he was playing when he was booed against Wigan? Does that force him to concentrate more?
Denilson had a very decent game playing both his position and taking on Song’s defensive role.
Theo’s finish was exceptional.
Nasri scored another superb goal
We qualified.
Fabianski had very little to do all night but still managed to pull off two very good saves.
We ground out the necessary result even when playing badly.
We made it out of the group for the 11th year in a row, a feat only bettered by Real Madrid.

The Bad:

Kieran Gibbs was injured again and will now miss the match at Old Trafford.
Andrei Arshavin’s passing, with a 48.6% completion rate was the worst rate from an Arsenal player, and only beaten by Partizan’s Stojkovic (42.9%).
The gap Song leaves in front of the back four is in no way compensated for by his rampaging forward and occasional goals and assists. Other attacking midfielders would be capable of creating those chances, and would do better with the wasted chances which fall to him.
The gap left between midfield and the back four is simply costing us far more than is forward runs are giving us.
We still can’t cross.
We still can’t defend.
Denilson and Song in the midfield do not offer enough creative options. One or the other, especially at home against ‘weak’ opposition.
We qualified in second place.
The Chamakh/Van Persie partnership will take some time to gel.

The Ugly:

The crowd leaving early so that the team were greeted with a half empty stadium at the final whistle.
The ironic cheers when Wenger made his first substitutions of the match.
The crowd greeted Theo’s first cross, after having been on the pitch for a whole one minute, with massive groans. Not helpful.
There may or may not be an issue between Van Persie and Chamakh with the former seeming less than impressed with the latter on a number of occasions.
The fans online abuse of Denilson is ridiculous.

With regards to substitutions, I understand that this is an area of frustration for Arsenal fans, but if you will just accept that Wenger has clearly stated that he rarely makes tactical changes and only replaces players when they are tired you can maybe understand why it takes him so long to make one. You can argue all you like, but you would be hard pressed to say his substitutions didn’t work last night – Theo got the second and Bendtner was involved in the build-up to the third.

In relation to Denilson he must be the most underrated player in our squad. More often than not he is one of our most influential players, he rarely loses possession, plays more passes sideways or forward than back contrary to popular belief, and quite of plays more forward passes than the rest of the midfield. I agree that he can switch off at times when tracking back, but this should not overshadow the other excellent work he does. He keeps possession, breaks up play well, rarely gives away fouls when compared to Song, and in general does a job very well which we greatly under-appreciate.

While bemoaning our latest display, it is worth remembering that we are in the last 16 of the Champions League for the 11th season in a row, something no other English team has managed. We are also top of the league and in the semi-final of the Carling Cup, all while playing awfully in defence. Many fear that we will get worse, but I see it the other way. How can we get worse at the back? We can only improve. Isn’t it the sign of a ‘great’ team that they manage to get the results even when playing badly? Isn’t that what we’ve been hearing for years – that we’ve got to be able to grind results out? Well that’s what we are doing, and you can be sure that if it was Chelsea, Man U, or even the Spuds, they would be getting credit for it.

Lots has been made about us having a leaky defence, but if you listen to how the media handle the Spuds, you’d think they were keeping clean sheets in every single match. The fact is, we’ve conceded seven in the Champions League and 19 in the league and they conceded  11 in the Champions League and 21 in the league. Do you EVER hear a question over their defence? No, what you hear is them being lauded for being strong at the back. We also happen to have the best goal difference of all the English clubs in this year’s Champions League (thanks Sairax for that).

It makes no sense.

I’m not saying we are able to defend, far from it, but we are not as bad as the media would have us believe. What they chose to focus on often becomes the issues which fill the minds of many fans. So, if you base your opinions on the media, you will believe that Arsenal have the worst defence in England, whereas the Spuds play the most free-flowing football. This is simply not true.

It is also not true that we will see how truly awful our defence is when we come up against one of the big teams. When we have to concentrate for 90 minutes and don’t get the majority of the match at our own pace we are a completely different animal. I believe we will see that proven on Monday night -  that we are better against better opposition, not that we will be torn apart as many would have you believe.

So, we are through. We made it a lot tougher than it needed to be, but then it wouldn’t be Arsenal if we did it any other way.

Bring on United. Eek.

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  • TheBeerNazi

    I am a Gooner from way back when and the modern fan shames me.

  • puppyguts

    i totally agree with you on Denilson and i think its a disgrace at how arsenal fans treat his contributions when u consider song and his disgraceful positioning.

    the amount of space between the strikers and midfield yesterday was disturbing to say the least, van persie in the middle really highlighted song’s forward position.

    im my opinion song’s contribution as a DM is an utter joke, im realli disappointed tht Wenger has shown that he is happy with how songs playing. with nasri, van persie, arshavin and chamakh why the hell does song need to attack.

    the most frustrating part about song is that he always seems to get the ball in shooting positions

    Rant over

    • AnonymousGun

      ~ the most frustrating part about song is that he always seems to get the ball in shooting positions ~

      Isnt that a cue that if Song could work a bit more on his shooting, he would be a hell lot better player then he is now(and yes, even better then last year’s Song

      • puppyguts

        the only thing song needs to work on is defending bloody COUNTER ATTACKS and reducing his attempts on goal, i don’t believe song is trying to benefit any1 else but himself with his attacking play

    • jim

      Denilson is a joke of a footballer. Lazy, can’t tackle, creates feck all. Last min of Utd beating us 3-1 at home last year – he got outsprinted by the ref tracking back to defend. He’s shit – end of.

      • puppyguts

        Denilson breaks up play and doesn’t lose possession thats his job and he does it quite well especially in yesterdays game. i dont see the point in judging a player on previous seasons performance (something tht fabianski has also been suffering from) , Denilson has been pretty decent this season and has the stats to prove END OF.

        • jim

          Doesn’t lose possession?!! My guess is you don’t go to many games if any. Judging him on the past four and a half season m8. Stats? You a yank?

          • Anonymist

            Regardless if he is a yank. You sound like a dick.

          • Anonymous

            Do you have to go to games before you can have an opinion? Regardless of your opinion on stats, the fact is, Denilson’s pass completion rate is one of (if not) the highest in the team, which means he gives away possession less than almost everyone else.

            You can say the stats can make him look good, but the simple fact is, if you complete 90% of your passes that means you only give away possession 10% of the time, if your stats are 70% you must give it away 30% of the time.

            People don’t like Denilson so they are more inclined to see and remember the times he does make a mistake rather than all the other time when he just quietly goes about his job.

            Blog up later about this.

          • http://twitter.com/jopparoad Joppa Road

            They have a go because they see he isn’t that good, that the team is going backwards and that we still concede stupid goal after stupid goal as he jogs back. IF he was that good don’t you think Brazil would have come calling? Don’t you think that most fans would have noticed and got off his back? Or are we all fckin stupid because the majority of Arsenal fans dont rate him.

          • Anonymous

            Yeah, the team is going backwards, that’s why we’re top of the league, through in the CL, and in the semi of the Carling Cup.

            All year last year all you went on about was results, results, results, the ability to grind out results when not playing well, well now we’re getting the results even though not playing well and you’re still not happy.

            No-one is saying he is the best in the world, but he isn’t the worst either. The majority of fans DO NOT think he’s shit, just the majority you talk to.

            Nobody called anyone stupid for having an opinion, but if you are going to constantly slate a player do if for what he actually does wrong. To constantly say he gives the ball away is just a fallacy. It may be what you see if you dislike him so much, but it is not true.

            Pass success rates:

            Denilson 88.72
            Nasri 82.41
            Fabregas 81.73
            Wilshere 85.42
            Song 81.53
            Arshavin 55.26

            Whatever you think of stats, this shows that he gives the ball away less than others, not more. The effectiveness/direction/length/difficulty of his passes are not what people are talking about when they say he always gives the ball away, so these stats may tell you nothing about that.

            By all means, slate players for what they do wrong, but don’t slate Denilson for constantly giving the ball away is wrong and that’s a large part of why I’m defending him.

            Look, I get it Joppa, you don’t rate most of the players in the Arsenal team, that’s your call, just like it’s up to me if I want to see talent in this team.

            Denilson is not spectacular, but he is not the liabilty you are making him out to be. Yes he can improve in certain areas, but who can’t?

          • http://twitter.com/skinnemuva E. Sullivan

            The only thing I would like to note about those “pass success rate” stats is that a majority of the games Denilison has played in this season are against teams they may not be as good, i.e. he has been playing against “lesser” teams. That probably makes his numbers look better then they are. Also, he does seem to make mistakes that are more obvious to the average observer, like hand balls in the box and not tracking Rooney.

          • puppyguts

            do these lesser teams include newcastle and WBA ? and no Denilson wasn’t playin in these games

          • Anonymous

            So why has Cesc got lower stats than Denilson against these lower teams? or Nasri? Or Song? That argument doesn’t hold when you compare on a match per match basis.

            v Braga h passes successful percentage
            Denilson 31 29 93.5
            Nasri 51 46 90.2
            Fabregas 90 71 78.9
            Wilshere 81 73 90.1
            Song 55 45 81.8
            Arshavin 40 24 60

            v Partizan a passes successful percentage
            Denilson 93 87 93.5
            Nasri 32 29 90.6
            Fabgreas 0 0 0
            Wilshere 39 32 82.1
            Song 88 71 80.7
            Arshavin 35 20 57.1

            I could go on…

            Handballs in the box? How many? How many has Cesc got?

            I agree that he didn’t track Rooney, and there has been at least one, possibly two occasions where he has repeated that. That doesn’t take away from his decent overall game.

            I come back to my earlier statement, people think they notice more mistakes from Denilson because that’s what they remember/notice. I think it always says 11.11 on my clock when I look at it, but it doesn’t, that’s just what I am more likely to remember/notice.

          • Jdeigh

            The thing about Denilson is he will make the safe pass or he will play the ball to a player who is surrounded by defenders. That player will take the pass but then will lose possession. Denilson gets credited for a completed pass but we lose possession because of it.

            Denilson is a bit lazy, lacks pace and intelligence. He’s playing in the wrong league.

          • puppyguts

            well said L.A. alot of these denilson slaters need to to shut it and do the research, go away and find out how many times denilson has played in a losing team this season……….

          • Tristan

            I like Denilson because he does his job well, there are a few things he could do better but, by and large, his role is unglamorous but he does it well.

          • Tristan

            I like Denilson because he does his job well, there are a few things he could do better but, by and large, his role is unglamorous but he does it well.

          • Tristan

            I like Denilson because he does his job well, there are a few things he could do better but, by and large, his role is unglamorous but he does it well.

          • http://twitter.com/jopparoad Joppa Road

            Ok LA, you win. You keep banging on about the like of Denilson and Fabianski and lets see what they have got us at the end of the season. When the big boys start uping the gears, you see how Denilson matches up to the likes of Essien, Scholes, Gerrand, Lampard, Parker etc. I know who I would rather have in my midfield. I’m not buying this Denilson nonsense, he has had plenty of time to establish himself now. He’s not even in Flamini’s league. Average at best like a lot of them are. Time will prove me right.

            I don’t hate Denilson personally as I don’t know him. I’m just going on what I see when he plays. I think you will find the majority of Arsenal fans would much rather have someone else in the team than him. No doubt about that.

          • Anonymous

            Spot on again Joppa !

          • Anonymous

            And BTW I’m not a ‘Yank’ either, but happen to enjoy stats and recognise their place in helping understand certain things, though not eberything. There are a lot of people who read this blog who enjoy stats, their nationality is irrelevant.

            Try and actually argue your point next time rather than just name-calling huh? Why don’t you like stats?

          • Weedonald

            Jim….opinions are like assholes, we all have them (except maybe Redknapp and Fat Sam who ,due to the absence of an anus are full of shit) but stats are an important and necessary tool in analyzing each game. The reality is that even Yanks can have intelligent and well thought out opinions based on watching a player season after season, either on TV or on the computer. What we saw last night was a superb team effort towards medicority for the following reasons:
            1) Arshavin was as listless as a fat panda….he was invisible as well…
            2) Denilson worked hard but not intelligently, however he did impact the game positively quite often…his passing was flawed indeed but he is NOT Fabregas or wilshere for that matter.
            3) Chamakh and RVP were operating on different wavelengths and seemed to be trying to click together but were unsynchronized and awkward….they need time…a 4-4-2 or 4-2-2-2 formation is a very demanding one to experiment with under last night’s conditions.
            4) Fabianski was half frozen most of the night but still came up with the big saves…
            5) Song was all over the place and for awhile I though he had traded places with Arshavin…
            6) Wenger often substitutes when he sees the opposition tiring. Sending in Walcott and Bendtner
            helped catch the Partizan defense backing away from play and with Nasri working like he does, it was another successful tactical move by AW…2 substitutions, 2 goals!
            7) Gibbs seemed out of sorts all night and not just because he was injured. He was having trouble with the Partizan attacking midfielder and while he handled him well, it was touch and go.
            8) We did win and proved once again that even when we’re below par, we can grind out the results.

            There are other elements that came into play last night, including stress from playing at home and needing the win to progress and a lack of respect for their opponents, who we must admit were pretty poor in almost every department. LA is right in saying that some so-called fans of the Arsenal will NEVER be satisfied until we have surpasses Barca’s achievements and won everything in site. I am sure some of these fans will lament the fact that we didn’t have a perfect season like the ¨Invincibles¨, but this team is NOT them…it is another club and another team…they need to know we support them in the good and bad times, in success or failure and in glory or being also rans!

  • Joppa

    Couldn’t really give a shit about what Spurs do and what the media say, you seem more obsessed with that. Thing is I can see with my own two eyes where the problems are, hence the criticism of players such as Denilson and co.

    At the end of the day they did ok last night.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OTYM7R647ZOD2CQWNO7CZYQZ4A Kyaw

    We can’t compare the media reaction towards Spuds and us. Spuds are lesser class than us. They are middle class in terms of football greatness and we are one of the true elites. Media will compare us to Man U, Chelski, Real and Barca and be critical on us. What spuds have achieved this season is great for them, but for us, it’s mediocre. Fifth in the league, out of Carling cup is okay for them. Actually they are high flying, in the league of their own. For us, the position Spurs are in will be a disaster.

    (I am not defending the English media, I know they are mostly against us and biased, Sky being connected to Man U).

    A great read nontheless. Thank you for the article.

  • http://twitter.com/ibster ibster ibstein

    I have to disagree about Denilson. He’s exactly the sort of player who is flattered by stats. Yes, he has an excellent pass completion rate, but look at those passes. He almost always plays a square ball or an easy forward pass, even when a decent attacking pass is on. These missed opportunities cost us in terms of fluency in attacking play and momentum. His movement off the ball is okay, but not especially innovative. I’m sure the stats show that he intercepts a lot of passes in midfield but his ability to turn defence into lightening quick counter attack is poor.

    When Denilson switches off, (which you admit he’s prone to do), the consequences are usually quite disastrous. He simply doesn’t recover well enough from his errors. He often doesn’t have the pace, tackling ability or defensive positioning to correct what has gone wrong. So, while for large periods he will ensure that mistakes are not made and things are looking good, when he or someone else does make a mistake he simply doesn’t have enough defensive ability to make up for it.

    The differences between Denilson and Song are down to that ability to recover. Song makes the last ditch tackles. He knows how to show attackers down a blind alley, how to limit their options so they are more likely to miss. Yes, Song is too far forward at the moment, but it is Wenger we have to blame for that. In my opinion Denilson would be much better served if he was pushing forward because he does at least know how to find the net. Unfortunately, since Denilson doesn’t know how to recover at speed he cannot push up and get back fast enough to prevent the counter attack. (I realise we have a similar problem with Song at the moment, but I’m wondering whether Wenger is just waiting for Song to find his true rhythm.)

    • Anonymous

      I agree he can switch off, but Denilson’s role isn’t to spring anything, It is to break up play, keep possession and give it to somebody who can do something with it. His job is safety first, and is probably the only player in the team that has that ethos. That’s not a bad thing.

      I was guilty of underrating Gilberto when he was here (through lack of awareness of that position more than anything else), I won’t do it again.

      • http://twitter.com/ibster ibster ibstein

        I never underestimated Gilberto, but his talents in defence were far, far superior to Denilson’s. I wouldn’t care about Denilson’s failings as a creative midfielder if he were a superb defensive midfielder. No matter what the stats show, you wouldn’t call him a “superb” defensive midfielder.

        While we are comparing the two Brazilians; Gilberto could launch a counter attack in a speedy and comprehensive fashion. I never found myself yelling “DO SOMETHING SMART WITH IT!” when Gilberto intercepted a dangerous pass. I routinely do so with Denilson. That “something smart” need not be an exquisite through ball to RVP hovering on the edge of the opposition back line. It can be as simple as passing to a space that an forward running Rosicky is about to occupy rather than safely opting for a square ball to Cesc or Song. The only risks Denilson ever takes are in defence and that’s what makes him so infuriating.

  • 1886

    Shameful, what arsenal, and i hope they are a minority, that abuse their own players.
    denilson does put in the work, although there are some deficiencies in his game, i feel a lot of that has to do with wengers ‘moulding’ of players in different roles.
    Yesterday watching the game i felt sagna and denilson were our top players for a while. and of course super samir

  • fox in the box

    I dreaming of the same utopia but, despite the stats, I’m not sure Denilson’s the man to lead us there. As per Joppa, he doesn’t look impressive – gives the ball away too often, not quick enough to recover, not a dominant enough presence. But I don’t question his effort (sadly, unlike Arshavin) – he always looks like he’s giving his all. And he looks perfectly tidy on the ball too. So maybe he’s just not being coached right: as with the defence, I wonder if the defensive midfielders get much coaching beyond “bomb forward whenever you can”. Our goals against and general inability to defend leads are weaknesses Arsene acknowledges but it’s beyond me why he seems so unable to formulate a style of play that combines attack AND defence and do something about it. Other fantastic offensive teams have managed it.

  • http://arsenal.theoffside.com Sairax

    “We still can’t cross”

    I think Sagna’s crossing has inproved this season. Also, I think Partizan were trying to get us playing on the wings because they were able to comfortably block any attempted crosses into the box

    • Anonymous

      I agree Sagna has improved this season, but let’s face it, we hardly strike fear in to people at the thoughts of our crossing do we? Not yet anyway…but it’s clear they are working on it which is great to see

  • http://arsenal.theoffside.com Sairax

    I still wouldn’t mind seeing subs at 60th min rather than 70th or 85th min. Letting the laggy play continue too long, I think. Hate the late subs thing…

  • DanKing

    Denilson’s position and role has been as a holding/defensive mid, therefore he greatly needs to improve his defensive qualities to play that role well. And not that I disagree with you LA, but I could say that Denilson passes backwards and sideways much more than he passes forward using the stats you provided. He isn’t losing the ball, but he does a lot of “safe passing”, just like song did last year. And that’s what is infuriating for me when we can get a quick counter going. So seeing Denilson and Song on the team sheet together I usually wonder where the attacks are going to come from.

    Btw, I haven’t started collecting the data for that table but will probably start tonight now that I have the internet again at my apartment.

    • Anonymous

      39.1% of Denilson’s passes in the CL have went forward this year as opposed to 35.2 of Nasri’s, 38.1 of Cesc’s, and 36.5 of Wilsheres….

      Fabregas actually played a higher percentage of backward passes than any of our midfielders – 22.8 which is more than twice the number Denilson played backwards (10.2)

      No rush on the stats, my head feels like it will explode with them at the minute lol

      • DanKing

        Wasn’t saying he wasn’t passing forward, just saying you can combine any two ways of passing (forward, side, or back) and they would be more than the third on its own. Just like I can say he passes more forwards and backwards than he does to the side :) .

  • Sean

    A brief note – from where I was sitting last night I’d suggest that the ironic cheers (not widespread) were more for Andrey Arshavin than for the substitutions’ timing

    • Anonymous

      Cheers for that, hard to tell from the TV

  • http://twitter.com/ibster ibster ibstein

    If you pass to someone right next to you then naturally such a pass will be successful.

    I note looking at the Partizan stats that his completion rate forward passes is 71% compared to 86% for square balls and 100% for backward passes. This compares to a forward pass completion rate of 79% for Song (and 120% for Sagna if your stats are correct???)

    It would be interesting to go on and explore the proportion of misplaced passes that lead to a shooting opportunity. It’s one thing if those misplaced passes end up running out of play. It’s another if they are intercepted and lead to the opposition getting a shot off. Id wager that if we looked at those figures Denilson would top that list too. It’s not that he “always gives the ball away”. It’s just that when he does, it’s more likely to end in trouble.

    • Jdeigh

      Also when Denilson does pass the ball forward, he sometimes passes it to a player who is surrounded by defenders and who is not in a very good position. We then end up losing possession because the player gets the ball taken off of him. The pass is a poor one, but it still counts as a completed pass.

  • http://twitter.com/ibster ibster ibstein

    If you pass to someone right next to you then naturally such a pass will be successful.

    I note looking at the Partizan stats that his completion rate forward passes is 71% compared to 86% for square balls and 100% for backward passes. This compares to a forward pass completion rate of 79% for Song (and 120% for Sagna if your stats are correct???)

    It would be interesting to go on and explore the proportion of misplaced passes that lead to a shooting opportunity. It’s one thing if those misplaced passes end up running out of play. It’s another if they are intercepted and lead to the opposition getting a shot off. Id wager that if we looked at those figures Denilson would top that list too. It’s not that he “always gives the ball away”. It’s just that when he does, it’s more likely to end in trouble.

  • http://twitter.com/ibster ibster ibstein

    If you pass to someone right next to you then naturally such a pass will be successful.

    I note looking at the Partizan stats that his completion rate forward passes is 71% compared to 86% for square balls and 100% for backward passes. This compares to a forward pass completion rate of 79% for Song (and 120% for Sagna if your stats are correct???)

    It would be interesting to go on and explore the proportion of misplaced passes that lead to a shooting opportunity. It’s one thing if those misplaced passes end up running out of play. It’s another if they are intercepted and lead to the opposition getting a shot off. Id wager that if we looked at those figures Denilson would top that list too. It’s not that he “always gives the ball away”. It’s just that when he does, it’s more likely to end in trouble.

  • puppyguts

    did any1 else hear boo’s for eboue yesterday ? i remeber an arsenal player definatley getting boo’s

  • http://twitter.com/jaxxbizkit jaxxbizkit

    great piece however I still think that Denilson is tecnically inferior to other options in our squad. Yes he plays the ball forwards, yes he plays nice little sideways passes that dont go anywhere, but when you watch him, watch how many times he slows the play down when going forward meaning that we cant break before a team gets men behind the ball.

    He hesitates when looking for forward passes. I cant remember the last time he played a decent “through ball”. We have a knack of picking up Brazilian players with little or no flair!!

    plus denilson wouldnt even be in the side this year if Frimpong hadnt gotten injured in pre season….

  • Anonymous

    I agree with Joppa it does feel the team is going backwards. I know we’re sitting top of the table, in the semi final of the CC, through to the last 16 of the CL but it all seems such a struggle ! In any other season 32/48 points wouldn’t have us sitting top.

    This squad needs strengthening and average players need to be shipped out, if not we will continue to be trophy less. One thing about AW is that he is too loyal to his players – look how long he persevered with Senderos for example – numerous chances but never an Arsenal player. Yes he might see them in training everyday but we see them when in matters on the pitch and it seems obvious to me that 4/5 should be on their way !

    • puppyguts

      i remember last season when we were losing with style and every1 was crying about how we don’t win games in an “ugly” fashion and this season the same ppl are complaining that we hav struggled our way through fixtures.

      before the season started every1 wrote us off saying that we couldn’t travel to physical sides and pick up points and now 4 months later we hav the best away record in the PL

      if we end up beating man u and chelsea this month ( which is a big possibility considering how much we dominate possesion in these fixtures in the past) u lot will probably find a way to put a downer on that as well

      • Anonymous

        I’m with you Puppy. I sometimes wonder if some would prefer this team to fail just so they can say they were right all along.

        I honestly don’t know what people want. I’ll say it again shall I – Last 16 in CL for the ELEVENTH season in a row, top of the table and in to the semi-final of the Carling Cup, a trophy, if I remember correctly people were crying we weren’t taking seriously last year.

        The response to this? Well, some on here think we’ll get worse while everyone else will get better….it’s ridiculous.

        No-one is saying it’s perfect, but who commenting here didn’t even give us a chance of a top four finish this year? Hands up…you know who you are….

        • Anonymous

          I’ve been supporting the mighty Arse for close to 40 years believe me know one wants them to be successful more than me ! I have followed them all over the country in my early years was at Anfield in 89 and was one of the last to leave the North Bank when the police came across on mass to clear us. This doesn’t make me anymore special than the next Arse fan but you shouldn’t take my criticism of the club as wanting them to fail just so I’m proved right. I criticise because I can see failings that are not being addressed. As I mentioned in the post above to win away like we have and then drop priceless points to average teams at home is going backwards ! If you don’t think it’s going backwards would you settle for standing still ? Believe me these points dropped will come back and bite us on the arse come the end of the season I could be wrong but I don’t think so !

          • puppyguts

            i don’t quite kno who u are comparing us to at the moment, did u really go in to the season thinking that we would hav an unbeaten season or sumthin ? the fact is we are gettin better results than any1 else in the league up to now.

            im not gonna deny that some of ur points are valid, but why put a downer on the team when we are top of the pile, save ur doom and gloom for when it is appropriate

          • Anonymous

            I’m comparing us to us over the last five years ! No, I wasn’t expecting us to go unbeaten but you expect maybe to lose points to the big teams not to the three that we have. If we don’t address the defensive problems and the moments when the whole team seem to nod off we won’t win anything this season. We’ve had some luck that all the other teams have dropped points but that won’t continue to happen. We need to go on an unbeaten run now to consolidate our position but I haven’t seen anything so far which makes me think we will !

      • Anonymous

        It’s no good winning away at Blackburn, Everton, City and Villa and losing at home to WBA, Newcastle and the Spuds is it ! If it’s not going backwards would you settle for us standing still then ?

  • Goldengooner

    LA,

    I really enjoy your blog so I hate that my 1st contribution is somewhat negative, but is it really fair to characterize Nasri’s goal as superb without at all mentioning Song’s contribution? That was a huge goal in the game – how nervous would you have been finishing up 1 with 10 men – and you give Song no credit.

    • Jdeigh

      Song also provided the ball to RvP when he was fouled in the area for the opening goal from the spot.

  • http://twitter.com/reznuk Steve

    What a bunch of whingy moaners (not all obviously). I mean, yes, some of the teams play has been poor, and yes LadyArse’s reliance on the passing stat is not actually helping Denilson because we all know he does like the old ‘hospital’ pass. But Denilson is NOT that bad, and neither are the team. Although watching games it seems dire sometimes, I think it’s because we’ve been spoiled in seasons past by “the beautiful game”. I too remember Arsenal of old, and I remember some dire ugly old games – plenty in fact, mixed in with the odd bit of brilliance. The final score at the end of the season is the one that will stand comparison – not performances good or bad.

    Also… I was there on Wednesday night and the crowd were awful – maybe 55% full and too many left far too early. Also really hard to get any singing going. The online crowd are going the same way – too many complaining at the bad results and not supporting the team when the going gets tough.

    • Anonymous

      Denilson is a squad player at best. Over the last five years we have seen some beautiful football but that hasn’t led to us winning anything has it, we’ve come up short ! We always appear to be a couple of players short. We are making do with average players and are keeping our fingers crossed they do the business for us. We’ve known for ages that some decent centre backs were needed and we get Kos and Squill who don’t look up to it at the mo. They could become the next Adams and Bould but then again they could well turn out to be the new Senderos and Stepanovs ! What gets on my tits is Arsenal fans coming on here and all they can come up with is don’t be on a downer and get behind the team FFS come up with something a bit better than that please !

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