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Forget Barcelona, it should all be about Stoke

Well there really only is one story today – Barcelona in the Champions League and while you could quite easily say ‘it could only be them’ it was simply the ‘luck’ of the draw – no conspiracy theories here.

So some people are terrified, some people are gagging for it, and some people are just ‘meh’. I fall in to the happy camp for a number of reasons. Firstly, to win the Champions League you have to beat the best teams. Secondly if we are going to go out (which is not necessarily a foregone conclusion) I say it’s best to get it out of the way early so we can concentrate on the league. Thirdly, we have a massive point to prove. We went to Spain with Silvestre in the centre of our defence, no Van Persie, Fabregas, Gallas, Arshavin, and a load of others. In fact, our bench consisted of Fabianski, Campbell, Traore, Eboue, Eastmond, Merida, and Eduardo.

Seriously,

We also had Almunia in goal. Now please don’t tell me that he played a blinder in the first half. That means nothing given what he did in the second half, sitting on his arse to let Ibra beat him at the near post not once, but twice.

For some reason I had got it into my head that we lost or drew the match immediately following the draw last year in which we got Barcelona but it seems I was wrong, we defeated West Ham 2-0 at home so hopefully any fears I have about the team being distracted are unfounded.

Look at us now. If we can keep our players fit, and that’s something we seem to have got better at, we could have our first choice 11 playing with a very strong bench to back us up.

We should hold no fear of travelling to Barcelona. We are the underdogs, people expect us to get trashed.

I say bring it on!

But that match isn’t until next year and tomorrow we have the small matter of Tony ‘I hate Arsene’ Pulis and his Stoke thugs arriving in North London.

At the time of writing the match is still on but I wouldn’t count on that being the case if the snow continues to fall at its current rate.

Let’s play like it is on shall we?

After the disappointment of Monday night’s match v Man United we should be looking at getting straight back to winning ways. With the Man U-Chavski chav-off taking place on Sunday we also have a chance to close on Man U, increase our lead over Chelsea or do both with a win. While our home form has been shaky to say the least, Stoke at home is one of many teams we should be hoping to overturn if we are to continue to have aspirations of lifting the title at the end of the season.

We have scored 19 of our 33 goals at home, and conceded 10 of our 19 there too. Stoke, on the other hand have only won one match away from home, scoring nine and conceding 12. Nine of their away matches have ended in defeat and we must make sure that tomorrow makes it 10.

In goal Fabianski will face a late fitness test, but as I said yesterday I think we will see Chesney retain his place. In front of him we will probably see Djourou return to partner Squillaci which should give us an added bit of power in the air to deal with Stoke’s rugby. With Gibbs injured Clichy will start and I would be very surprised is Sagna was to lose his place.

In the midfield Song and Jack will no doubt be first picks and the only other question coming over whether Cesc will be fit to start. If he’s not, don’t play him. We need a fully-functioning and full-power midfield, and genius that he is, we need him fit. There is talk that Diaby could be involved as well but surely that can only be on the bench as he has not played since the last week of October. Will we see Nasri in the middle or Rosicky? Your guess is as good as mine.

While it is great to have him back, it is clear that VP is not anywhere close to his best, so he should also start on the bench with Chamakh leading the line, Nasri probably out right, and while Arshavin deserves to be benched, we will no doubt see him ahead of anyone else.

My call for the starting 11 would be – Szczesny, Sagna, Squillaci, Clichy, Song, Wilshere, Rosicky, Nasri, Arshavin, Chamakh. The bench should look very strong with Fabianski, Cesc, RVP, Diaby, Eboue, Walcott, Denilson. With Bendtner’s missus having their first child (a son) there is talk that he will be given the weekend off.

Who knows though.

Whatever 11 takes to the pitch we know, once again, that anything less that 100% and we will get punished. Talk of Ramsey and Shawcross will not be far from this match, and with Pulis ‘reminding’ Lee Mason that we are a dirtier team than Stoke by virtue of having more reds and yellows than them this season (don’t even get me started on how that’s not an accurate reflection of a team’s ‘dirtiness’ – look at Kos’s challenges for his reds this year then compare that to Shawcross) we need to play football and not seek revenge.

Shawcross will be more protected than any other player to arrive at the Emirates as everyone expects us to exact revenge. It is a sickening reminder of how the game is viewed in this country that such a thug could command such sympathy, but make no mistake, we won’t be allowed to go near him.

He, on the other hand, will no doubt be allowed to kick with impunity along with the rest of his rugby mates. We just need to keep our heads and play around them.

On our day, we can beat anyone, no matter how much they try and stop us playing.

100% please Arsenal. Just for 90 minutes.

Not really that much to ask is it?

Finally, if you’re about and not snowed in, try and make it the REDAction Xmas party. These guys work really hard throughout the year and it would be great if you could show your support. More info and tickets can be found here – special guests including Ray Parlour, Perry Groves and Jack Whitehall.


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  • Milseán

    Agreed. It’s all about the league from tomorrow on. The Barca game is a long way off. I don’t think Arsenal were too bad, defensively, on Monday against Man U. And I’d like Pulis’ comments on Arsenal being dirtier than Stoke to be proven true.
    On a side note, I hope these rumours about getting rid of Bendtner are false. You know what’s going to happen if he leaves: injuries to both Chamakh and van Persie.

  • Anonymous

    As I mentioned yesterday 3pts is a must, no second chances now, that’s what happens when you drop sloppy points like we have. I have no idea what the result will be, you just can’t read the Arse this season. Not to show up against this mob is not acceptable, lose and the boos will ring round the ground like never before. 

    Can we beat Barca over two legs the answer is yes, are we likely to beat them, then the answer is no ! One things for certain if AW hasn’t got a plan B this time we’re fucked ! He will have no excuses, he tried to play them at their own game last time and it got embarrassing. I don’t know if he needs to go 4-4-2 and get Bendtner up top with MC and play it long, but he needs something different. I could be wrong but because he is so single minded he will probably try and play them off the park !

  • SPGunner

    Couldn’t agree more. Barcelona is two months away! Lets beat Stoke, then the chavs and everyone else before we start worrying about the Catalans. I really want us to turn the neanderthals over especially with the baseball cap wearing, nude wrestler in charge and Ryan ‘not that type of player’ Shawcrap as their captain.

    4-0, without the now obligatory heart attack would be very welcome! Come on Arsenal!

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  • cavalry

    So we draw Barcelona again. A team whose style we transpire to but will never attain until we change our policy on player acquisition. What should be the starting point in any player that you consider buying would be
    1. Attitude
    2. Toughness
    3.. Spirit
    4. WIll to win
    5. Power
    6. Skill.
    Yet with the Aresnal we always seem to go for skill only and forget the other five attributes in any successful player, hence we now have the small, weak and watery team that currrently represent the team that we love. Just compare them from the point of view to the Invincibles with respect to power and balls and where do they compare??
    Just listen to Arshavin mouthing off day after day in various blogs and twitters and yet when he goes out on the field he doesn’t try a leg. In essence he sums up all that is wrong with Arsenal at present. Skillful, small, lazy and with a bad team attitude. Will to win. You must be joking.
    Will we beat Barcelona. Not a chance. Because they will hound and harry us and work hard when they don’t have the ball. We on the other hand will again be indulgent. But look its no harm again to have a look and see where it is that we are trying to get to. And then possibly for the first time seriously, Wenger will be questioned on his and his borad’s policy on the acquisition of players.

    • Anonymous

      After the 4-1 defeat at the Nou Camp I had the feeling of what’s the point ! They were so special, I thought we are never going to be that good we might as well just pack it in ! Hand on my heart I don’t think we’ll do it but after dropping off the pace in the group stages it’s what we deserve.

  • Brian98

    Always interesting to speculate on the starting eleven and we all have different views but on what possible footballing basis can your starting eleven have Wilshere in as a given.Yes he has great potential and is learning his trade by playing regularly but his influence on our performances has been largely non-existent and he should be uses much less often for a while..

  • http://twitter.com/jopparoad Joppa Road

    I actually think many Arsenal fans live in fantasy land tbh. The current Arsenal team is a millions miles away from Barca. Even with Cesc, RVP and Verm in the team it would be a struggle. I’d say we would lose 9 in every 10 we played agaisnt them at the moment, especially if Wenger employs the same tactics as the first leg last season. Lets be fair we should have been 5-0 at H/T. It’s right to forget the CL because simple come March we will be out of it. Whether we are still involved in the league is another thing altogether.

    What is this about Stoke Rugby? Nonsense and tyical Arsenal response by many fans who somehow think Arsenal’s way of playing is somehow at a superior level – again part of the attitude that seems to rub off on the players.

    • puppyguts

      i jus dnt understand ur relentless negative comments, “we would lose 9 in every 10″ and ” we should have been 5-0 at H/T” y would u attack ur own team with ridiculous hypothetical s, any true gooner would think ur brand of “support” is a disgrace, even if it is jus a Blog

      • Anonymous

        I’m sure Joppa will reply in person to you but for what it’s worth…….

        Have you seen Barca recently, not even recently come to that ? For me the Man U game was just as important as the Barca game will be and we didn’t play with any attacking intent and gave the ball away at will. This Man U squad is one of the poorest they have had in years and you think we can take Barca over two legs ? I really hope so, but it’s extremely unlikely.

        With regards to the 5-0 at half time did you watch the first leg ? If it wasn’t for Big Al it would have been 5-0, not a negative comment at all but the truth !

        • puppyguts

          man united played very defensive with fletcher and Anderson dropping back regularly, there are very few teams in the world that can break down man united when they are playing not to concede

          wenger was correct about the playin surface; any idiots can see it was terrible, this was the main reason they were so many misplaced passes from both teams.

          • Anonymous

            So what you’re saying is our great attacking players aren’t good enough to break Man U down then ? I think you’re being a bit negative there aren’t you ?

            I notice you didn’t comment on the Barca part of my post !

          • Zardoz

            how about this, then? What a disgraceful performance webb and his c**ts of linos put in; it’s okay for prostitute-shagging shrek to kick clichy – all he gets is a talking to and probably an enquiry for when he come round and suck shrek off; it’s all right for coke snorting spit-roaster rio to jump up with his leg in front of him and kick sagna in the abdoment, and I’m not even going to talk about the penalty. That’s not to excuse the lack of penetration in the second half, mind you, but when the men in black put in as abject a performance as last Monday, we really are playing against 12. Chesney’s kicking was rubbish, but he put in a decent performance keeping it 1-0 when the bankrupt Yankee scum could have been crowing about a 3-0 they barely merited.

          • http://twitter.com/jopparoad Joppa Road

            LOL, I was going to give a half serious reply but when I read the comments I see there is no point but lets have a bash.

            RE: Arsenal vs. Barca 1st leg last season. I sat down with a friend and life long Arsenal fan who said to be in that first half he couldn’t believe what he was watching and had never seen Arsenal so out classed in 30 years of watching. Poor finishing and Almunia were the only reason it wasn’t a thrashing at H/T. So please tell me why that is negative?

            Then I read Zardoz’s comment about what a disgrace the ref was. OMFG it gets so fckin boring listening to Arsenal fans real this tired classic out. Personally I think the Ferdinand challenge was tough but thats football – deal with it. Playing against 12..yeah whatever you say, nothing to do with us playing absolutely shit was it? Oh am I being too negative again or just saying how it is/was?

            And then the classic from Puppy – “it was the pitch”…..all I can say is LOLOLOLOLOL….fkin hell Arsenal fans, you will believe any old shit Wenger tells you.

            CBA to reply to Weedonald. have a nice Sunday all.

          • Anonymous

            You don’t expect to get refereing decisions at OT but if we were more offensive we might have asked a few more questions of the officials. I don’t really rate Webb and yes maybe on another day Rio would have walked but even if he had I still think we would have continued to play in the same vein. The truth is we just didn’t turn up again for a big game.

          • Zardoz

            JR, I’ve gone off chips, so you needn’t bother trying to share the king size bags you’ve got on both shoulders, pal. I was trying to be balanced by citing Webb’s non-performance and suggesting our lads didn’t do much in the way of attacking second-half. If you think we played shit at OT, then you obviously didn’t see the shitness on display when West Brom and the Seven Sisters scum came traipsing along. For my money, you are being negative and I’m half-tempted to offer you my season ticket for a game so you can go and sit next to some real f**king moaners, just so you find it cathartic to be in the company of your own ‘like-minded’ individuals for a couple of hours.

          • http://twitter.com/jopparoad Joppa Road

            Cheers for the offer Zardoz – will take you up on that.

  • http://twitter.com/cjt217 Caleb Tatebe

    My only fear is someone getting their self sent off for a reckless foul on Shawcross. I wouldn’t be suprised to see the likes of Nasri or someone else getting sent off for something foolish, (I only cite Nasri because I’ve seen him retaliate in the past in the heat of the moment and pick up a few yellow cards for his actions).

    All I want to see tomorrow is quality football from Arsenal and to beat Stoke on the pitch.

  • Anonymous

    Just read that it looks like Nordtveit has refused a new contract and is leaving for Germany in January. Can’t say I’m surprised, he’s not getting a look in or around the first team. Could he be any worse than Kos and Squill ? Shame if it’s true.

  • Chir

    Well put LA, lets forget about the draw until the new year. I only hope by then we will have gathered enough momentum to be genuinely excited about the game. Stoke deserve a thrashing, just hope the team turns up. Must say we really need to freshen up sth…maybe as little as simply our formation. The team always seems a bit fragile at one end or the other..but maybe thats just me.

  • Chris M

    LA! hows it goin? Havent been on your site for awhile. This new site is too much for me. I got lost and shit lol. You got chat and a forum now its crazy. Well i’ll try and get used to it.

    We get Barca again, meh, its whatever. I think the Carling Cup would be a great start to future trophies. It worked well for ManUre, they won that cup and after that won the league 3 years straight, so hopefully we can start small and if we win that trophy then we will have that winning mentality installed in our brains. We start small then win big. Fuck Stoke, us having 11 players walking off the pitch at the end of the game is a win for me. Hope we thrash those fuckers.

  • Weedonald

    The usual pessimistic,negative crap from Skid64 and Joppa Road, both of whom seem to think their view of things is the absolute truth and by being so critical they will be able to say we told you so, If things go badly.
    We are not Barca for sure BUT we can reach that level over two games if we do the following:
    1) Defend with a passion and let nobody control the ball, other than us in front of the goal area,
    2) Play Szcesny in goal over both games,
    3) Every player in the midfield and attack tracking back and harassing Barca’s midfield and attack,
    4) Shoot from outside their goal area and play both short passes and long balls into their 3rd,
    5) Use Bendtner’s and Chamakh’s height to attack goal from good crosses into their box,
    6) When Messi gets the ball,shut him down and don’t give him time to move it into a shooting position…I know, far easier said than done!
    7) Keep our holding midfielders closer to our attacking midfielders,reducing the space Barca can find to play their passing game.

    Arsenal have 2 or more months to stabilize the team, get returning players up to form and maybe bring in someone to add steel to their defense in the January transfer window. Wenger should try different formations to see what works best against EPL teams and experiment with players from the youth and Reserves to add bench strength. Last year, had we had Cesc,RVP, Walcott, Djourou, Nasri, and Szcesny in form and playing at the camp Nou, there could have been a different outcome.

  • Weedonald

    The usual pessimistic,negative crap from Skid64 and Joppa Road, both of whom seem to think their view of things is the absolute truth and by being so critical they will be able to say we told you so, If things go badly.
    We are not Barca for sure BUT we can reach that level over two games if we do the following:
    1) Defend with a passion and let nobody control the ball, other than us in front of the goal area,
    2) Play Szcesny in goal over both games,
    3) Every player in the midfield and attack tracking back and harassing Barca’s midfield and attack,
    4) Shoot from outside their goal area and play both short passes and long balls into their 3rd,
    5) Use Bendtner’s and Chamakh’s height to attack goal from good crosses into their box,
    6) When Messi gets the ball,shut him down and don’t give him time to move it into a shooting position…I know, far easier said than done!
    7) Keep our holding midfielders closer to our attacking midfielders,reducing the space Barca can find to play their passing game.

    Arsenal have 2 or more months to stabilize the team, get returning players up to form and maybe bring in someone to add steel to their defense in the January transfer window. Wenger should try different formations to see what works best against EPL teams and experiment with players from the youth and Reserves to add bench strength. Last year, had we had Cesc,RVP, Walcott, Djourou, Nasri, and Szcesny in form and playing at the camp Nou, there could have been a different outcome.

    • Anonymous

      Did you bother to read my first post ? Just in case you didn’t it starts – Can we beat Barca over two legs the answer is yes – very negative ! The way the team have been playing this season it is unlikely they will, an obvious but valid point. If you bother to read the newspapers, surf the net and watch TV the majority of people are saying we’ve no chance, so Joppa and I are not the only two people on the planet to think we’re in trouble (it’s our own fault anyway for taking the foot of the pedal in the group stages).

      Also in my post I mention a plan B, something AW has to have this time around another obvious and valid point, I mention – Bendtner playing up top with MC and playing it long and you seem to agree with me if point 5 of your post is anything to go by ! It’s good to have a plan B isn’t it !

      Finally you should be grateful that Joppa, I, and the like, are around to put a different point of view on things otherwise I guess it would be pretty boring if everyone was singing from the same hymn sheet !

      As I’ve said before I will take no pleasure in being proved right come May. I’ll be over the moon if you come back on here in May and tell me what a twat I’ve been, now we have the title on the mantelpiece !

      • Weedonald

        Skid64….we both love the Arsenal but in slightly different ways but we also both see similar outcomes from a different perspective. I read all the blogs,papers, media and other references and see the critical approach they take…5 years without a trophy, Wenger’s lost the plot, Cesc is an Arsenal plyer in name only, etc.etc. I watch every game they play (obviously not in person) and see the same lacunae you and Joppa do but I try and avoid the overly negative spin, that’s all.
        There is no doubt that no other team has such a difficult challenge ahead of them in the CL. Will Arsenal rise to that challenge….we agree that it is an unanswerable question until the games are over? I believe that it will not be a one-sided affair, it is more than two and a half months away and many things can happen in that time….I do hope that Arsenal field the strongest team they have ever had, in the best form that they’ve ever known and with a stiong of good wins reinforcing their self-confidence (being at the top of the EPL will do that) and that Barca have all their assets intact as well.
        As pure Football aficionados, it will be the equivalent of winning the lottery!

        • Anonymous

          Fingers crossed everyone is fit and we are playing with some consistency but I think we both agree AW needs to have something up his sleeve tactically rather than trying to take them on at their own game.

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