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The RvP Conundrum (Volume 2)

I’m sure that I’m not alone in wishing that this had been sorted out before now. As it stands, we still don’t know where Robin van Persie will be playing after September 1. And while this situation is far from ideal, I wonder if as fans we’re blowing the whole thing out of proportion, because I’m not entirely sure it matters where he ends up this summer. Let me explain.

I want van Persie to stay. It’s important that I state this here before I continue. We’re a better team with him, no question. Now, as a fan, was I disappointed with his statement of discontent a month ago? Of course I was. But football has never been more controlled by players and their agents as it is today. Football is more of a business than ever, and is being treated accordingly. And as the players are the most valuable commodity a football club has, then they also will be treated accordingly.

Just look at what Liverpool did with Luis Suarez, they gave him a new deal, despite him having FOUR years left on his old deal. Why? Because he was “unhappy” with his old deal.(Or “he realised he was being underpaid and was pissed because of it”. You decide.) So instead of risking Suarez kicking up a fuss and begin to force an exit, they placate him and stump up the cash. Now Liverpool have Suarez under contract for five years and £90,000 a week, instead of four years and £35,ooo a week. And we wonder why football clubs are losing money hand over fist.

So with players in control of clubs to this extent, it never surprises me when someone has a good 12-18 months and is suddenly agitating for a move away from the club. Sometimes they want to leave, sometimes they just want to pressure on the board to pay them what they think they “deserve”, but as soon as a player has a breakout season, then it’s only a matter of time before it’s followed by a statement of some sort. Even Alex Song has been at it this week, saying he’s “happy” at Arsenal but is flattered by interest from Barca. All it is, is Song’s agent waving at the board, who just happen to be trying to give RvP and Theo Walcott more money, and is looking for them to throw some extra cash his way as well. That’s all.

So with this in mind, I’m not entirely fussed if RvP leaves. Again, I want him to stay, but if we can’t get him to agree to a new deal then selling him on is the next best option. And here’s where I may differ greatly from most Arsenal fans, because if we indeed end up having to sell him, then the destination is the least of my concerns. Most fans will label him as some sort of “Judas” or “traitor” for leaving us for a rival but I am completely non-plussed about it. The fact that he’d be gone would far outweigh where he ends up.

Seeing him playing for Man Utd would stink, no doubt about it. But seeing them spend £20million or more on a 29 year old striker when they are in dire need of help in centre midfield would soften the blow a bit. The last thing Man Utd need is someone who can create from playing up top on his own, playing both RvP and Rooney in the same team would mean one of them playing deeper and being less of at threat. If they want to blow precious funds on a player that doesn’t appreciably improve them, then let them, that’s what I say.

The worst thing about selling RvP to Man Utd is listening to United fans gloat about it. That’s all. And when did singing songs about summer signings ever when a trophy? The most important thing here isn’t the fact that we’re selling van Persie, it’s how the club responds afterwards. Clubs lose players all the time, some favoured by fans, some not. And if we want to be contending for trophies this year, then our focus should be on sourcing RvP’s successor and not on calling him names for leaving. If he goes, then fine. Life goes on.

Seeing van Persie score goals in Manchester will stink, but do you know what I’ll be watching instead? Us. If you haven’t seen the first half of the Cologne match from last Sunday, do yourself a favour and watch it immediately. We had a front five of the Ox, Cazorla, Podolski, Giroud and Walcott, and as ordinary as the Germans were, we tore them to shreds. Cazorla in particular was a joy to behold, his range of passing from either foot seemed to open up a myriad of options and routes for those around him to run into. It was nice for a change to see us have multiple ways of scoring goals, whether it was from a Cazorla pass or a Walcott run or from some hold-up play by Giroud.

We haven’t had that since we moved to 4-3-3, which was created to get the most out of Cesc but never really had the players to fit in the system. Now we have the players, and in Cazorla, we have someone to make the most of it. And this was without either Arteta OR Wilshere beside him. We’re looking in good shape for the season, and adding RvP to that would only help. And if he leaves, then all we would need quality back-up for Giroud and Podolski up front.

The most important thing to consider here is that we are in control of both of those options. If he stays, then we’re good. If he leaves and we bring in a replacement, then we’re good. The only thing that could harm our chances is to spend all our time sulking over his departure. So why bother? I’m going to the game on Saturday, and he plays, then I’ll be cheering for him. I’ll cheer for anyone who is wearing our shirt and is trying to win. I care more about Arsenal winning than I do about who’s playing and who’s leaving. And if RvP wants to leave, then good luck to him. I just look forward to us proving him wrong.

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About Stephen Bradley

Gooner and below-average blogger who writes what he thinks, but sometimes doesn't think as he writes. Very occasionally makes a sensible point though, so watch out for that. Can be found on Twitter rambling away under the username @bradley08.
  • http://www.facebook.com/martin.wengrow Martin Wengrow

    This is an excellent post Your comments are spot on. Congratulations.

  • Wd

    brilliant. utterly agree. go go robin and up the Arse!! (nal)

  • puppyguts

    my only problem is if RVP goes to man u, im not quite so much in denial as you are about the extent RVP would improve man united’s squad.

    RVP is hugely versatile (not just a lone creator) and would improve any teams starting line up exponentially who are you kidding ?

  • Gunner4lyf

    Are you are trying to imply that ManU acquiring Van Persie will weaken them? I’m sorry that’s never going to happen. ManU will be stronger with Van Persie and Rooney. Period. Just cast your mind back to how devastating they were with Ronaldo around. That is the same effect Van Persie will have.

    Cleverly, Kagawa, Scholes, Nani, Carrick, Fletcher, Valencia, Young, Anderson, Giggs …..Again, I’m sorry they are not in any dire need of help in midfield, not by a long shot. That is a strong midfield with decent wingers and central midfielders. They can always strengthen it if required. However, we cannot replace someone like RVP. Not in the near future. It’s going to be while before someone scores 30 goals for Arsenal. Arsene Wenger should never have agreed to sell Van Persie to United. I don’t care what kind of reasoning you come up with. It’s simply not acceptable. With took 3 steps forward with our summer signing and now we seem to be taking a couple of steps backward. If he is sold he needs to be replaced. Immediately!!!!

  • Loiz

    very true, my only concern is that we sell him and and not invest. I still feel we would need a fresh striker (doesnt have to be a huge name, Mirallas would fill the void capably) both to provide us with enough firepower and to wplacate the fans and have an all important feeling of optimism.

    Also need some strengthening in front of the back four.

  • fASH

    He leaves when he want.

    What if we fail to re-invest the money we get from from selling him?

    What if we have to rely on Chamakh to fill-in?
    What if our demand isn’t met close to the end of August?

    For me, we shouldn’t sell. RVP with his injury record can’t risk a of football year without a long term contract. Because if he did and gets another long term injured, he risk been jobless at the end of his present contract or having to settle for a less offer. I reckon he is doing all he can to leave now.

  • DR

    Gunner4lyf, 2 of those guys are oaps and can’t be relied on along with Fletcher who may not play again if they don’t sort out his *thing*. Leaving them with Carrick, Anderson, Cleverley and Kagawa in the middle, Fergie doesn’t seem to trust either Anderson or Cleverley so yeah, they desperately need new midfielders. RvP will improve them but Welbeck is a damn good CF who simply didn’t get the service last season, RvP is better at supplying himself but will similarly starve a little.

    Nice post btw, even though I don’t agree that it doesn’t matter where he is, I acknowledge it matters less to us than we ever though possible last season. Singing Lukas Podolski, he scores when he wants’ will be a double edged chant and I hope that’s all we say about it but the boos will be deafening if he goes to United and comes back in their team so *meh*

  • Eddie

    well said…may be softens the blow a bit for when the cunt finally goes. Strange thing is how I really saw van Persie as an Arsenal player incapable of wanting to play for any other English team. How I was wrong…

    • aj

      I agree, Eddie. I am more disappointed for allowing myself to believe that Van Persie was different and actually cared about the club. I believed all the bullshit about him always loving Arsenal – will always be a Gooner etc. Now he can’t wait to get away and insults the club, the fans and the manager along the way.

      • ladyarse

        I’m with you on that, I think that’s the source of my disappointment as well, I believed he was ‘different’ and really did love Arsenal. How wrong we were eh?

  • Ryan

    No doubt, awesome post. But still I think many will actually fail to understand what you wanted to say – We are fans of the club named ARSENAL and it is the club which really matters!

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  • manamongst

    if we sell it is because the board has no standards and vision. Wenger is smart enough to see what is going on: SAF is panicing, and can see that rvp in our squad with our signings, is a problem for the remaining top 4. He’s so obsessed at this point, he’s forsaken his squad w/ no attacking center mid…
    Do the math, they have to be on the threshold of exceeding their FFP spend allotment…hence their silly math on their announced Moura/Van Persie swoop. Kagawa will not be sufficient, they must be planning to convert Nani, Welbeck…or most likely Young. I personally don’t think they can buy…they can afford him…I just think United board and advisors are asking questions of the old kook. And this is a large game of team destabilisation by SAF. He saw the efect Barca’s last minute swoop…and accompanying blabber-mouthing had on Arsenals season start and this coupled with his normal closed-mouth transfer mo

  • goonerstevedave

    I’m going to the game on Sat too.
    But I won’t be cheering him. I won’t boo though, just shut my trap when ever he has the ball, gets announced or what ever.
    If he scores, I’m turning my back and not cheering.

  • Sahil

    Bring in Llorente (or someone like that) if RvP leaves & fans wouldn’t be bothered two months into the season that RvP left. Gervinho, Ox, Walcott, Giroud, Podolski & possible Llorente? Yup, we’d be stronger overall, I think.

  • JayJay

    whoa with the denial ! … get over it, cry into your tea already and start saying prayers that you don’t end up mid-table, without Robin there is nobody … Cazorla is a good playmaker but goals ?? no. So, Podolski and Giroud … that’s a very big gamble on two patchy / unacclimatised players.

    Next up is Walcott to Chelsea, Arsenal is imploding. The financial model of Wenger has been exploded, you gotta speculate to accumulate .. ask Fergie when he stumped up £30m each on Rooney and Ferdinand, how many titles have they won and income has that generated ? The false economy of keeping the finances nailed down has betrayed a manager without confidence to spend …….. Wenger should have gone years ago.

    • ladyarse

      Oh shut up

      • JayJay

        where’s the Walcott deal, seriously … ? he’ll Bosman in 12 months and you must know that.

        And just to say, if you think of the clubs in the time of Keane and Vieira, that one manager would one day sell his star-player, star-striker, top-scorer and captain, to the _other_ club … something has gone very very wrong at the seller’s club. or no ?

        • JayJay

          As a United fan it actually pains me that the old-rivalry is dead, and I wish Adams / Bould / Keown would take-over from Wenger and we could have right old-fashioned fisticuffs instead of knocking down rows of mercs high on petrol-fumes, it’s just not as fun.

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