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Do Arsenal need a new manager? + The Dalglish Effect

In my last piece on Arsenal tactics I opened by talking about Wenger’s achievements throughout the years and said that he was one of best managers both Arsenal and the Premier League have ever seen. Although I didn’t know it at the time, I was in fact setting myself up for this piece, which I feel inclined to write after the past few weeks. The fact is that, despite that huge list of achievements I mentioned last week, none of them have any impact now.

This seems to go against my very first piece on this site, which warned against over-negativity and argued against the glowing cloud of pessimism. Why now would I jump on the bandwagon calling for by far our most successful manager to leave the club?

And I’m not. Not really. I’m just re-opening a discussion that has been held on and off for the last three years at least. Ever since the breaking up of the Invincibles and the beginning of our trophy drought there’ve been a large number of fans calling for Wenger’s head, and I’ve always thought them idiots. But now I’m starting to sway, if only slightly, and it’s an idea worth considering.

The truth is, whether you want to believe it or not, the only reason Wenger has been around as long as he has during these trophy-less years is because he practically guarantees top four. Just as Sam Allardyce used to guarantee Premier League survival – at the cost of good football, public opinion and general dignity – Wenger guarantees the Champions League. And what happened when Blackburn ditched Allardyce in an attempt to climb higher? They got relegated. Admittedly this was due to hopelessly unaware and incompetent owners and a manager to match, but the message is there. No matter how poor we’ve been this season, we will make top four, I can practically guarantee it. With a new manager, I’m not so sure.

The problem is that for a club like Arsenal, top four isn’t good enough; we must win a trophy. Ever since 2005 Wenger has been trying to build a second Invincible squad, although to be fair a squad with half their quality would be capable of winning this league, Chelsea and the Manchester clubs are far from the Viera/Pires/Bergkamp/Henry quartet that formed one of the best teams in history. He’s come close and failed and has produced some outstanding players, such as the Theo Van Nasregas quartet that hit such great form the season before last, but has always been one or two players away from cracking it. He’s always looked like he had a plan. ‘Project Youth’ may not have been what the fans wanted at a time when Chelsea and now City were splashing millions on big name signings – a lot of them from us – but it was necessary and lead to players like Fabregas and Van Persie, as well as a few near misses at a trophy, and there was always potential to be seen. Even though every season we moaned at the lack of established talent and criticized our transfer policy and mentality, deep down in all of us we always though ‘maybe next year’. There was progress. Slow progress, but progress all the same.

Last season was when I thought the progress might eventually culminate into something real, not immediately but I thought we had a shot. The additions of Arteta and Mertresacker showed a change in tactics for Wenger as he went for more established players. Add in Cazorla and Podolski and with our flying Dutchman still wearing the cannon with not long to go and I thought we genuinely had a shot. Even when Van Persie left I felt we were on the right track, a few more additions were all we needed and at least we knew Wenger was now open to recruiting more established stars. But something isn’t right. The United game really threw me out, in ways it was worse than last season’s 8-2; that was a complete fluke, with maybe three first team performers that went all out trying to salvage a three goal deficit with only ten men that got blown out of the water. It’s never happening again. Saturday’s 2-1, however, could happen when we play at the Emirates this season. And both games next season. And the season after that, and after that, and after that. With pretty much our strongest selection we lacked any sense of unity or fight, we were disjointed and hopeless. The players we have a far better than that – on paper we might even have a stronger squad than United. So why don’t we play like it?

That’s the sole reason I now question Wenger. Whereas before he had purpose and the team had potential, now he looks lost, caught between project youth and established stars and unable to keep hold of either. He may pull through, he’s still one of the best managers in the world and is more than capable of bringing the next Henry/Bergkamp combo out of nowhere. But the current players don’t work, at least not for him, and I’m actually starting to feel a fresh approach might change things. Perhaps someone that’s more of a  disciplinarian, someone to tell Walcott he’s playing on the right wing whether he likes it or not and standing behind him at contract negotiations holding an object that looks suspiciously like a baseball bat. If Walcott played for Ferguson there would be no complaints.

However, there are a few problems with Wenger leaving. First of all there’s the financial side; Wenger keeps us very, very stable and moderately successful whilst doing so. There is no doubt that, on average expenditure, we are substantially overachieving. There’s also the fact that we have recruited dozens of players who cited Wenger as the main reason for them joining us. His French connection is well documented, as is his success with young players, whilst even his language skills play a part – his speaking German was the deciding factor in Podolski joining this summer. We lose Wenger and, with no sudden upturn in fortunes looming, we lose our main draw. However, there is one factor that worries me more than any other.

I call it the Dalglish Effect, for reasons that will soon be obvious. Under Rafa Benitez Liverpool were a force that, although dipping slightly, were still among the top clubs in Europe. He was removed and, after a brief and incredibly average spell under Hodgson, appointed club legend Kenny Dalglish as the new manager. After a brief upturn in form, Dalglish soon ruined the club in my eyes. His public support for the Suarez affair drastically lowered his and Liverpool’s standing in the public view and the signings of the Henderson, Downing and Carroll for astronomical fees turned one of the European greats into a laughing stock. Since then Liverpool have never even come close to the Champions League and I have lost nearly all respect for them. For some reason there has always been a good understanding between Arsenal and Liverpool and I have always preferred Liverpool to any of the other top sides, but Dalglish truly ruined their image. That’s my greatest fear; all those years of history to have it all taken away by one man in just eighteen months. I used ‘taken away’ there because ‘destroyed’ or ‘ruined’ are overly harsh; they are still a club with great heritage and a good amount of quality, but they could and should have achieved so much more recently, especially with the money they’ve spent, and yet are stuck in a rut by one man’s actions. Dalglish’s actions have left Brendan Rodgers with a huge mess to sort out – he has overpriced fringe players to ship out, a tarnished PR reputation to deal with and is handicapped by the fact that Liverpool are no longer considered title or even top four challengers. He’s a great manager that plays good football but, especially now most of Liverpool’s funds have been spent on Downing et al, he’s at a severe disadvantage.

I don’t want this happening to Arsenal. Any change of manager would be a risk and to be honest there aren’t really any options. The only managers I would wholeheartedly trust to take up Wenger’s mantles are pretty much all unavailable. Ferguson is, of course, out of the question and personally I don’t think I’d be able to take seeing him at the club anyway, although it would be pretty sweet revenge for the Van Persie saga. Jurgen Klopp is someone I would love to have; he plays good, attacking, fast paced football with players he either bought for relatively small fees, such as Subotic and Kagawa, although obviously he’s now gone, or brought up from the youth academy like Gotze. There don’t seem to be the same attitude problems as there are at Arsenal, though this may be due to the squad being mainly comprised of Germans, and neither are there any well-documented defensive deficiencies. Of course this could be down to personnel – Dortmund are at the moment clearly a better team than us – but the fact remains that Klopp built that side from scraps, with Dortmund facing administration at the start of the decade due to their last big-money bid at the Bundesliga glory. I think the manager that finally managed to break Bayern’s German dominance not just once but for two successive seasons would be more than capable at Arsenal. Sadly, however, at this stage Arsenal would be a step down for him and that’s really, really sad and a true indication of how far we’ve fallen. The only other option I would definitely like to see at Arsenal is Mourinho. Yes there’s been a fairly outspoken rivalry between him and Wenger and so by extension some animosity from Arsenal towards him, and he’s well known for the defence-first, big money approach to tactics and transfers which completely opposes Arsene’s own philosophy, but there’s no doubt he’s successful. His time at Real Madrid shows he can be expansive in his tactics and play some nice football, whilst his defensive proficiencies will benefit us greatly. Plus I doubt we’d ever see another Fabregas/Nasri/Van Persie/Walcott situation. There are rumours he’s looking to return to England soo and his disagreements with Casillas and the Spanish contingent at Real Madrid has made this more likely regardless of how successful he is, so why not? If we’ve got a shot I say go for it.

The elephant in the room for available managers at the moment is of course Pep Guardiola, given he’s currently unemployed following that incredibly successful spell at Barca. However, he seems to me to be just another Wenger, and one that’s been handed his free-passing team rather than crafting it himself. Yes under him Barcelona won an astonishing amount of trophies but he did so with three of the best players in the world and possibly the best player in history. He’s been given a huge amount of funding and wasted a large chunk of it, especially on players like Dmytro Chygrynskyy, and has let quality players like Yaya Toure go. Worse of all though is his character. Reading Zlatan Ibrahimovich’s autobiography shocked me when he covered his conversations with Guardiola – he cannot handle strong personalities and shipped out an incredibly effective striker, one of the best in the world, because he didn’t fall in line. Zlatan described Xavi et al as ‘school boys’ and implied that Guardiola could only work in this sort of environment; he is a dictator that cannot deal with adversity and that is a very bad mix for the dressing room. Because of this I can’t see him having any impact on the mental side of the game and his tactics will be largely the same; maybe he’ll increase the off-the-ball pressing we need and improve on that side, but other than that I can see no effective changes he could make. He has to be a good manager to achieve what he did, but I’m not convinced.

The only other manager I can think of that both could be available and I think could do a job would be David Moyes. He’s a manager and more importantly a man I greatly respect and one that has overachieved for years with Everton. He plays good football, is a good man-manager and is an expert at working on a miniscule budget. Signing him would also give us a better chance at pinching some of Everton’s talent such as Baines and Fellaini. Finally, however, he seems a more imposing character than Wenger and, though I have no inside knowledge and could be completely wrong, I can’t see him being as lenient with the players as Wenger is. Of course he is unproven at the top level, but we’ll never know unless we try.

All this being said, I’m still undecided over whether Wenger should leave or not. The problems with him leaving are many and varied and I’m not even sure we could do better, or even if he’s doing that bad a job given the resources available, plus there’s still that deep emotional feeling that, being born towards the end of ’95, I have never seen an Arsenal team play without Wenger. The Frenchman leaving would be an end of an era, and not one I’m certain I want to see just yet. But it’s certainly food for thought.

To give you a real world example of how being near the top isn’t good enough, let’s take a look at our betting partner Betsson.  Betsson is part of the Ongame Network and the network has been #5 in the world for years now.  That sounds impressive, and honestly it is.  The problem is that the former owner of the network, bwin.Party, was number 2 in the world and they wanted to be number one.  Ongame wasn’t getting the job done and so bwin.Party sold the Ongame Network to the Amaya Gaming Group so they can focus on becoming number 1.

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  • sam

    i keep sayin this,,No manager in d world can do better than arsene on the budget he has. Mourinho,mancini ,guardiola and all will fail at arsenal…..Ferguson is d only one who might do anything reasonable.and im sure i will stop watching arsenal and Ferguson will rather retire than coach arsenal.

    • Dave

      Really?????? He has money the senile old bugger just refuses to spend. He has lost the dressing room and we will never win another trophy under the myopic one

      • jeff wright

        I agree that Wenger’s lost the plot and I can’t see him winning anything either. But, a new man would still be stuck with our wage structure that makes signing top players impossible ..
        Not that Wenger actually wants to sign any – he makes the stars -according to himself that is – and this is good enough for Stan – along with the regular Champions League football.

        Any decent manager though with the resources available to Wenger – of the 4th largest wage bill in the league – plus money in the bank – should be able to get at least 4th place in the Prem – and the claims that no one else could do so are ridiculous.

  • ALMO

    Hopefully with a few bad results, Wenger will resign. We should definately go for Moyes. Wenger is a has been and his best days are behind him now. Moyes would prepare us better and get a real team structure.

  • Bob A

    a very good thought provoking piece, I like yourself worry about AW at times , but then I think how many if any can do what he as done with the budgets he had over the last 15 years. It is very easy to spend millions and still finish up with a group of players NOT a team as Mancini has found out. I would love to be at a board meeting to find out wether it is the boards decision not to spend or AW to not to take the money that I doubt we shall never know. The one manager ( other than Moyes ) would be Martinez as he could come in as assistant manager under AW for a couple of years and then move AW upstairs

  • Job seeker

    Try these managers,

    Laurent blanc, deschamps or remi garde, allowing aw to become new chairman.
    Frank Debora and Dennis b.
    Stojković Who is apparently wenger choice.
    Or even less well known managers like, marcelo bielsa ( athletic bilboa), luciano spalleti ( zenit)
    I could make a convincing case for all of these and they all have a better pedigree and more experience than moyes.

    • JoePridmore

      While they’re all familiar names I don’t really know enough about them or watch their teams enough to comment which is partly why I didn’t include them. However I would say it’s not clear whether they have more ‘pedigree’ – Blanc and Deschamps yes, the others I’m not so sure, Stojkovic is almost a complete unknown, I’ve only heard for him because of Wenger’s recommendations and I’m sure I’m not the only one, Spalleti is struggling with big money at Zenit, Bielsa is a wildcard that’s lost the Bilboa dressing room and good either be a hit or a complete disaster and Bergkamp, though a legend, has next to no experience.

      In comparison Moyes is the third longest-serving manager in one of the most competitive leagues in the world and has kept Everton consistent and even, in recent seasons, on the rise on a budget of next to nothing. I’m not saying he would be a definite success but then neither would any of the others you’ve mentioned, I just felt he was slightly less risky than other options and I would definitely prefer him to Guardiola.

      • Brad

        Moyes over Guardiola? WOW! Moyes is the longest serving manager in any European league without a trophy. He crumbles under pressure and his teams just. can’t. win. big games. Guardiola on the other hand is a superb tactician that relishes maximum pressure.

        • JoePridmore

          Got to look at the teams they’re managing; for Barca to go a single season without a trophy is severely underachieving, whereas getting Everton to top four contenders – as Moyes has at the beginning of this season, considering they always play better after Christmas – is a massive overachievement. Most of the differences between Moyes and Guardiola have to be combined with the huge gulf in class between Everton and Barca. I’m not saying Guardiola isn’t a top manager and quality-wise he’s probably better than Moyes, but I don’t rate him as much as everyone else does and he just doesn’t seem to be what Arsenal need right now as he’s not enough of a change. Could well be wrong but it’s what I think

  • jay

    Mourinho wouldnt consider coming to Arsenal,he would fall out with the board over funds sraight away.Anyway itt looks nailed on that he will go back to Chelsea sooner or later.Guardiola would seem a possibility,but would he still try to carry on with a passing game that we just cant seem to hack with the current players.

    • @makks

      You get Morinho if you want to win CL within 3 years. Thats it, but you have to give him unlimited funds to do so.

  • jeff wright

    Without the shareholders financially backing a new manager, and he would have to be one with a proven track record at top level, there is no point in replacing Wenger who always hits the target demanded by the so called board by providing Champions League football – and the big money that goes with it.

    Stan and his consigliere Ivan are not fussed about winning trophies – they will of course take them if they are there – but not at a cost to themselves . Slippery Ivan’s big bonus that he earns on AFC making a profit is more important to him than winning a trophy is

    So unless there is a change in this attitude by Stan and Ivan then just changing the manager is irrelevant – because no top one will join us unless he feels that he can compete for the top prizes.

    Wenger is happy enough with his 7.5 million a year and the French connection that earns him even more money on top – and he doesn’t even have to win anything – with himself having made 4th place in the league a trophy .

    However, he’s buying 4th place – because the 4th highest wage bill equates to at least 4th place in the Premier League – so he’s not over achieving by finishing 4th. In fact he would – by any stretch of logic – be underachieving were he to finish outside of the top four.

    Last season Redknapp made 4th place in the PL with spuds – and Tottenham have a far lower wage bill than us. Chelsea, with their big wage bill , underachieved in the league, due to the AVB factor, But Abromavich’s mercenaries , still won two trophies after Di Matteo took over from the hapless Portugeezer .

    One of those trophies was the holy grail that has eluded Arsene for the last 14 years at AFC.

  • @makks

    The problem with Moyes is that he has no pressure on him or his team. So they play pressure free which allows them to over succeed. If suddenly he had to win a trophy, then i don’t think him or his team will perform as well. Remember Everton’s dry run is 17 years, Moyes has only won one trophy as a manager, League 2 (previously the second division) with Preston North End. I really respect the guy, but Arsenal would be taking a huge risk with him.
    Klopp is a good suggestion, your logic and reasoning build a good case for him in a few years. And Arsenal are bigger than Dortmund, trophies aren’t everything.

    • JoePridmore

      That’s a very good point I hadn’t thought about, although with his mentality I would have thought Moyes could handle it, although of course you never know. As for the saying Klopp would be taking a step down, I meant more in the fact that Dortmund are on the way up and look set to compete for the big titles for the next few years at least, whereas Arsenal are at best stagnating or at worse in decline. Arsenal of course are the bigger club at the moment but for a manager aren’t necessarily a project to take on at this time – it would be a huge risk for him, especially when Dortmund are doing so well. Would love to see it though.

    • Brad

      No, Actually trophies are everything. It’s sport, winning is the whole purpose.

  • Stevo89

    So are the Board at fault for not putting more pressure on Wenger to achieve? OR is Wenger at fault for not demanding more financial support from the Board for both new & existing players? There lies the issues with Arsenal FC.

  • Danny

    Your post reflects my toughts exactly. I’m leaning towards a manager change (even if it is risky). The reason is because I’ve sadly lost my puls when watching Arsenal. I dont like it any more (and thats not a nice feeling). The problem is not the squad, itsthe way we play. We are lost and I think we have to do a Dortmund or a Juventus, rebuild from scratch.
    I’ll accept that this will result in no trophys for 3-5 year (I’m used to that) if I could get my puls back…..
    One thing:
    If I had to pick one fotballer that I belive is 100% objective, it wouldnt be Ibra….

  • Jed

    Good article Joe, I am thinking along much the same lines as you.
    Regarding Jurgen Klopp, although Dortmund are a better side than us I still think that for him the Gunners are a step up – he’ll get paid more and will have access to a bigger budget. We are currently in a bad way but we’re still one of the wealthiest clubs in the world!

    • http://twitter.com/adaaaam92 Adam Gleed

      Wenger has access to a big budget (if you believe Ivan and Stan). The problem isn’t so much the manager, I reckon if he had the funds to make us a force, he would do it. The problem lies in the board room

  • Mike

    Arsenal problems are profound and expansive. The solutions are more than one thing, but I think a change in spending philosophy is needed, along with a new manager. Wenger looks tired and lost. None of his philosophies work anymore, he does not use youth or buy experience, he can not hold on to players, because of the club’s business model. He is not sure what to do, and is not a disciplinarian. That is why SAF is still successful, because he could adapt.

    • pop

      Mike – could not have said it better myself. I am quite disappointed that some of the Arsenal fans are still in denial over Wenger. The cameras sure show enough pictures of him on the sidelines and he looks done.

  • http://twitter.com/adaaaam92 Adam Gleed

    Does anyone agree that Wenger, if HE decides to leave (no way in hell will he be sacked), would be more beneficial in the David Dein role? He can still pick out top players, look at Tommy Eisfeld, its just the game and tactics he’s struggling with. Honestly, he looks tired and ultimately burdened. I reckon with the right guy as manager, Wenger has to be the next Dein

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