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Forever in our shadow

It’s that time of year again, November:  Arsenal’s bogey month.

It’s also that familiar time of year when we have our first match up against Tottenham. I don’t know why but it seems every season we play them in either October or November.

I’m not sure about you, but I had an excellent day yesterday. I even had a spring in my step walking to work, which is rare on a Monday morning. Working with Tottenham fans can be an unpleasant task at times, but on days like yesterday, it’s glorious.

Football is a global game, it’s watched by billions worldwide, and I’d imagine that the people that visit this blog come from every corner of the world. As Arsenal fans, we’re lucky to support a team that has gathered such worldwide support, probably due to the clubs continued presence among Europe’s elite, and possibly also due to a historically rich diversity in our playing staff.

Our less than illustrious neighbours don’t share our position as a worldwide superclub; they’re a smaller club with a smaller fanbase- that isn’t meant to incite or antagonise-it’s just the simple fact of the matter. It means the majority of their support comes from within the UK, mainly from London and the home counties.

I lived in Sydney for a year during 2010, and it amazed me that despite a huge English/ Irish population, I hardly saw a single Tottenham fan during my time there. Whilst I’m sure that makes Sydney an even better place to live, it’s for that reason that I think it’s worth exploring what exactly the derby means to those of us blessed to be local to North London.

As a preface to this, I have no time for the local vs foreign fan debate – if you support a club and you give time and effort to watch them play, then you’re a fan. It doesn’t matter where you come from. I saw first-hand the efforts of the Aussie Gooners – when you wake up at 3am every Monday morning, with a full work week ahead of you to watch Arsenal lose to Wigan – you’re as much a part of Arsenal as the rest of us.

What I’d like to do is try to explain exactly what the derby is like for someone on the frontline, someone who lives and works in North London. I lived in a place called Newington Green for a long time, it’s a nice corner of Islington and it brought me immense pride that I had an N5 postcode. I was so close to Highbury/ The Emirates, that friends would actually pay me money to park at my house when a game was on.

Living in such rich ‘Arsenal’ turf held many advantages; not having to ride the tube, being able to walk to and from games, every pub always showing the Arsenal match if we were away in Europe, etc etc. The one disadvantage of living in North London, is that you’re constantly in close proximity to them lot: Tottenham fans. Despite their ground basically being in Hertfordshire, most North Londoners support either Arsenal or Tottenham.

When commentators and pundits talk of bragging rights it often annoys me. If your local rivals beat you but you’re still 30 points ahead of them in the league is there really anything to brag about? As such, but for a minor blip when George left and Stuart Houston had the team, I’ve never really had to experience Arsenal being in anyway inferior to Tottenham. What I have had to experience is over twenty-five years of near total delusion from their fans.

As football fans, we’re not an objective lot; we see things through rose-tinted glasses at the best of times. I’m as guilty of it as anyone – However I can honestly say that Tottenham fans may be the singularly most repetitive set of fans in the game.

“This is our year” is a quote I’ve heard on countless Monday mornings over the past two decades. They recently went 10 years without a single victory over Arsenal, yet I’d still come into work and hear the gloating and the goading – that this was the year they would finish above Arsenal.

If Arsenal lose I get inundated with a barrage of texts and phone calls from delirious Spurs colleagues, regardless of Tottenham’s result. I sometimes feel that they get more joy out of Arsenal losing than they do from Spurs victories. They’ve had to eat a lifetime of humble pie but still they always come back for more. It’s like a desperate search to become equals with us.

Their captain and best player their academy has ever produced, joined us for free and instantly won more trophies in his first season at Arsenal than his entire Tottenham career. You think that would shut them up. Or our 13 league titles compared to their meagre two. Or lasagne-gate. Or blowing a 10 point lead last year.  But no, just last week my phone was ablaze with messages from joyous Spurs fans as we found ourselves 4-0 down at Reading. We came back to win and they inevitably lost and were eliminated the flowing night. If you ever need to see the definition of absolute stupidity, just look at their Mind-the-Gap campaign last year, it was so premature and proved to be utterly ridiculous and the whole club was left with egg on its face.

In some ways you have to admire their eternal optimism – however misplaced it may be. We may say Wenger is stubborn, that he can’t see the problems within his own team, but he is nothing compared to the constant state of fantasy that so many Spurs fans live in. The thing that irks me the most is the state of absolute authority they assume when talking about how inferior Arsenal are. If they managed to finish above us just once, I might take them seriously.

You can imagine how they behave on the rare occasions that they actually beat Arsenal; it’s honestly not worth going into work on a Monday morning and you have to avoid the internet, television, radio and all newspapers for the duration of the week, as a selection of pundits who should know better try to debate power shifts in North London. Every year they ask the same question and yet every year we celebrate St Totteringham’s day.

When I’m out locally, I’ll occasionally have a red and white scarf on, or some Arsenal shorts on at the gym, and some wannabe Spurs comedian will make some sort of quip designed to illicit a response. I’ve heard them all, and the funny thing is, due to their on-field inferiority, it’s never actually about football. They’ll say something about ‘going back to Woolwich’ or ‘being the real North London club’. I once had a guy try to bait me by questioning Ljungberg and Sol Campbell’s sexuality, as if that was somehow relevant when you’re in Tesco’s on a Tuesday afternoon.

If any Spurs fan ever tries to give you any abuse about Arsenal being from South London, maybe remind them that their club oh-so-publically failed in trying to move to the Olympic Stadium in Stratford, East London.

I find myself frequently having to defend our players: in pubs, at work, sometimes even on the bus, as some twerp chimes in his expert opinion that ‘Sagna isn’t fit to lace Kyle Walker’s boots’ or that ‘Bale is in the same class as Messi and Ronaldo’.  It’s the typical delusion -and it’s getting more and more mainstream – Sky have started choosing the absurd pairing of Jamie Redknapp and Glenn Hoddle to provide analysis on Arsenal games.

Football is a tribal game, they are our local rivals and we’re never going to like them. But I’m actually glad that Tottenham exist, and I’m glad that they’re our rivals. Even if they win the league for the next 10 years(61 never again), they still wouldn’t be as successful a club as we are. I’m grateful for Tottenham because our domination over them makes the game sweeter. The day we won the league in ’04 was incredible, but winning it at White Hart Lane gave it an extra edge.

Ultimately I think we enjoy our successes against Tottenham more, because for those of us, that by choice or necessity have to frequent with ‘that lot’, it gives us a constant supply of ammunition in the face of their near constant deluge of false insults.

Every now and then a player gets it too, and to this day I think my favourite celebration by an Arsenal player was when Henry, having just ran the length of the pitch to score an amazing individual goal, ran all the way back to celebrate with the Gooners sat next to the away fans at Highbury.

It’s a special rivalry. Enjoy this week, I know I will.

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About Lewis

Clock End season ticket holder. Some-time writer. Follow me on Twitter @changearsenal All views are my own.
  • goonerblud

    fat lady sings

  • Eduardo

    it is also worth reminding Tottenham fans who hark on about “being the true North London Club”,that we moved to Islington 100 years ago and have therefore been a North London club for 100 years,whereas that lot were in Middlesex until the London borders were changed in the late 1950′s.Another example of their delusional state would be the fact that they continue to chant songs about Arsene being a paedophile,which is revolting in it’s own right but fail to recognise the fact that their Manager,David Pleat,was sacked in the 80′s for failing to tell them he was caught kerb crawling 3 times!

  • The Spur

    Lewis welcome to “our world”. This is when you are starved of success and trophies (we also once went 8 years without winning anything) the only thing you have left is to gloat over your neighbours, their failings and inferiority to you. We normally have to do this to Wet Spam as we both know your lot have been superior in recent history which is the reason we cant do it to you and you cant do it to Chlski anymore.

    There was a recent time when you Gloated about being the biggest and most successful club in England, then London, now North London, if things carry on soon it will be Holloway. Gloat all you can because even the most ardent of Gooner should be worried about your fall from grace in recent years. If we look at the last 8 years Tottenham have closed the gap considerably and until Ade got sent off were doing a pretty good job on Saturday and who knows 11 V 11 how the game would’ve ended up? Fair play you spanked us in the end but I haven’t spoken to one of your lot who said they were comfortable until the sending off.

    As you say “the rare occasions” we do beat you we love it, but over the last few seasons we have had more of those occasions than you have, and as for the dig of Hertfordshire we are a North London club and history proves we always have been.
    Have a look around your ground at all the flags and banners, all celebrating your past triumphs, but nothing for the last 8 years.
    You see we are not very different after all are we?
    Welcome to our world…..

    • ladyarse

      You’re hilarious! You’ve won one league cup in the last how many years? When did you last win a league title? And you come on here and think you can be patronising. Awesome. Thanks for proving Lewis’s point about your delusions.

      As for us not being comfortable until the sending off, that was 17 minutes in, absolutely no indication of what would have happened over the next 73 minutes, but please, cling to that if it gets your through the day.

      And as for ‘closing the gap considerably’ – when you’ve finished above us 15 years in a row, won another 11 league titles, been in the Champions League another 14 times and went a season unbeaten we’ll talk about that gap being closed. Until then, realise that even after our worse start in 30 years we are still above you in the league.

      We’ve moved stadiums, had restrictions on place regarding buying players and had to sell our best players, that’s the only reason there is any ‘perceived’ closeness in the two sides at the minute. Come back when you’re in the same position, we’ll see how well you cope.

      • Alan

        No love, I think you’ll find that “You’re hilarious!”
        Forever a social outcast as a result of being a gay, unemployed failed artist.
        Oh and the fact that you cannot accept that being reduced to ten men for 73 minutes can impact on a result, shows you have no place offering any opinions.

        You sad, pathetic, ugly, bitter little girl.

        • ladyarse

          Thanks for that, I love being called sad and pathetic by someone posting anonymous abuse on the internet. Makes my day.

        • http://twitter.com/RedFxTrade Chris

          Social outcast? Enjoyed watching the football a couple of times with LD and will so again in the future.. She draws a large crowd to her local bar and is sound…so if that makes you a social outcast I must go check the meaning of that again. This is a football blog. The fact that you result to personal insults shows LD’s blog is hitting the right notes with you classless Spurs fans. Every club has plenty of scum bag supporters I know,including Arsenal, does not mean you have to bring yourself down to that level of individual as you have already done. You can still support your club without making your individual self look like a humiliated little kid with no dignity,self-respect or even a half ounce of wit, intelligence or reason. You would be a hecklers dream,

          • ladyarse

            Cheers for that Chris, will I see you tomorrow night?

          • http://twitter.com/RedFxTrade Chris

            Unfortunately not, can’t fit it in, got an airport run, but will see the game at least. Be in before too long though. Heres to three points and qualification:)

      • The Spur

        I see irony is wasted so Ill explain things in a way that your teacher can explain to you.

        Last cup won by either side was Spurs. Last league title by you but how many years ago? Don’t start using history as an argument because Spurs and England fans have the monopoly on that.

        I didn’t say we would have won Saturday, just stating fact until the sending off you were second best and it would have been interesting to see what would’ve happened 11v11
        As for closing the gap considerably, you were a light year in front of us 15 years ago, you honestly don’t think that gap has been closed considerably? and you said I was hilarious.

        As for champions league 14 years in a row, brilliant achievement but I don’t think that goes down on your honours list

        You use moving grounds as an excuse for restrictions on signing players and having to sell your best players, … really? your embarrassing yourself with that statement
        Fact: You were Dominant in England 15 years ago, now you are not. Get used to it.

        • ladyarse

          I’m not even going to bother with this, all I will say is that if you can ever get things together enough to actually move grounds (and not to one other people have paid for for you) come back and we’ll see how well you are getting on. Until then, I think I’ll trust my judgment on what is going on at Arsenal over yours thanks.

    • Eduardo

      “we have always been a North London Club,history will prove it”…err no you haven’t,if you check your history,your ground was officially in Middlesex until the late 1950′s.Don’t ake me email you the link to the London Boarder changes in the 1950′s and really embarass you

    • Declan

      Seriously can’t get over how spurs fans are constantly going over the fact that we won that game cus fucking Adebayor got sent off. Last time I checked he had no influence to a game defensively, so that argument is just a complete waste of time. However whats more annoying is the consistent ignorance they all share about them somehow now being better than Arsenal now! Seriously guys, where is the evidence to support that, as Vincent Kompany quite rightly said on MOTD, we were the best team they’ve played so far which was after they played spurs so that doesn’t exactly play in their favour. Anyway the point is that Arsenal are a club that has fought with the best in the world and have become a team of to be feared and loved ON A INTERNATIONAL SCALE. If and thats a big if! If spurs beat us in the league that will only be the beginning of a long road of proving they are better than us!

      • The Spur

        Declan apart from the blind faith spurs fans the majority would not say we are better than you now, but the gulf between the clubs is as close as it has been for years.

        One more thing we did beat you in the league last year, and the previous year and the one before

        • Declan

          When I said ‘beat us in the league’, I meant by finishing position. Thats the beauty of the premier league you see, it provides the fairest system for ranking the best overall quality and consistently that team has. Every team has their good and bad days, but to be truly great you have survive the marathon of matches that the league demands. I mean let us not forget that Celtic beat Barcelona the other day, proving that one win doesn’t always reflect the true difference between two teams. So please, when you beat us in the league, feel free to throw around accusations like tottenham are on par or even better with Arsenal, but until then just let the football do the talking pal.

  • John Smith

    Yeah it must be really thrilling to support a team that can only do well in big matches when the retarded ref hands you a man advantage

    The reality is you are the Liverpool of London. Same blind devotion to a manager everyone else mocks, same delusional belief you can win the title and same pig headed idea that next year is our year. Fact.

    • ladyarse

      Hahaha if we are the ‘Liverpool of London’ what does that make your lot? Tranmere Rovers? Don’t you have your own blogs?

    • http://twitter.com/RedFxTrade Chris

      The thing that Spurs, Liverpool, Everton and many other club fans do not realise is that we are much further down the longer term development path than they and still out competing them. So many clubs want to move to a new stadium or upgrade. They do not realise how much that can crimp the budget overall in the first 5 years. Arsenal have almost successfully completed the acute phase of that, and still stayed above teams who didn’t for the most part. Yes if Arsenal had stayed at Highbury, perhaps we would not have had to sell so many players, but that would have been short term thinking. I have looked at the Bayern Munich business model. Arsenals is very similar, perhaps they are just 2-3 years in head of us in that model. Bayern chairman said they could not compete for big name signings, but now can perhaps justify £25 million once a season on one big name player, but its been a slow evolution.I believe Arsenal will get there also. Lets see how the Spuds do if they ever manage to move. Also, I think the writing is on the wall for AVB. The media are constantly giving the Arsenal board stick, but when Levy sacked Redknapp who got them into 4th and replaced him with AVB, Levy was described as bold,shrewd, a hard negotiator in the transfer market etc. To me that looks like the biggest mistake of any chairman in the league, apart from Abramovich, but he can afford to change and change and change again. Why rock the boat? Now Spurs fans are calling for AVB’d head, which will likely involve an expensive pay off and the search for a new manager.

  • Chels

    The fact you are getting into a row with SPurs fans just shows the demise of your club, you were good when Vieira could walk, you sell your best players, cant ever compete, and year on year get worse and worse, since you moved to the Emershites you haven’t won a trophy yet Clichy, Kolo, TH, Fab, Nasri have won a combined 25 trophies in under 5 years whilst you have celebrated finishing 4th year on year, small club mentality. Arsenal may turn over millions in revenue but in terms of football you are at the same level as Spurs, Everton, Newcastle, dont ever compare your side with City, Utd or Chelsea, you no longer challange and haven’t done since 2004 which is a long time ago. you can continue to mention forever in Arsenal shadow but you are in Utd, Chelsea, City shadow and will always be.

  • nick a.

    what a load of rubbish typical arsenal fantasty.they may have had success recently but they will never be bigger than spurs. we have history glory and a style that the other north london club can never match.and lets not forget we were the origonal team in the area.they came from south london woolwich and should have stayed there.

    • MarkJFine

      Hahaha…. “history glory and style” …where? In AVB’s mind?

      • kernowgooner

        In 1913 when “Woolwich” moved to Highbury, the attendance went from just over 3,000 for the final match in Plumstead, 20,000 turned up for the 1st match against Leicester Fosse but within weeks the attendance was topping 30,000, where as the average down at The Lane was around 11,000.

        Spurs supporters still appear bitter and twisted about us moving, even though this happened nearly 100 years ago. Its the same with our “promotion” in 1919, that still grates away at them too. Back then ,all the deals and decision making was all done by voting. This practice carried on right up until 1987, when the voting system was replaced with automatic promotion from the Conference/relegation from the 4th division . Teams finishing 2nd or even 3rd from bottom could lose their league status up till that point. In 1919 when the league was restructured after the end of WW1, Spurs were not a popular club for various reasons, including trying to expose a fixed match by Manchester United and Chelsea that sent Spurs down on final match of the season. They won promotion straight away in the 1919/20 season and for the next two years finished above Arsenal, even coming close to winning the title.

        Spurs entry into the football league wasn’t clear cut either. Votes were cast three times and the results were equal amount with Lincoln City as to who gets invited to join. No more voting took place yet Spurs were awarded a place in the Football League…a case of those who live in glass houses?

        All the above is fact….do your research you’ll be amazed how bad corruption was, and yes Spurs played their part in it. Arsenal were lucky to have Sir Henry Norris fighting out cause..had it been other way round you wouldn’t be complaining now would you?

        As for your history, other clubs have far greater achievements, the glory, couple of seasons in early 1960′s, and a few cup wins in the early 70′s 80′s and 90′s…even just won promotion back to Division 1 in in 78 in 3rd place on goal difference!!…The style ..well the push and run hasn’t worked that well over the years….

        I think the message here is..Get over it, its happened, unless you can build a time machine, its very much part of the history books.

  • Melo

    It makes me sad that the comments section of any football related article on the internet is packed with comments from trolls and wind-up merchants. Is there anybody out there who wants to talk about football?

  • ing6963

    Lewis, call me strange but i’ve never once charged my friends to park at my house. I bet you get shed-loads of cards at Christmas don’t you Ebeneezer? What a bloke.

  • Christian Spur

    The Spur offers a balanced view from the other end of the Seven Sisters Road Lady Arse unlike your good self; you need to get a bit more perspective. Yes you are the most successful side in North London and have been under Monsieur Wenger but the gap has undeniably closed over the last 7 years since Lasagna gate. Most of my Arsenal mates admit this. This ‘forever in our shadow’ is like some type of mantra that some of you lot trot out to help you draw comfort from the present reality of not competing the way you used to. We were not in your shadow when we won the league in 51 and 61 nor when we became the first British club to win European silverware in 63 or cups in 67, 71, 73, 81,82, 84 or 91.

    Yes we have been behind you in recent years but you can hardly describe the last 7 years as being in your shadow, you’ve finished most of the time 1- 2 places above us. We have a better trophy haul in Europe than you even if we have only been in the CL once. I supported our great football club because of its style and panache not just because it won trophies. We were widely acknowledged as the best footballing team in 86- 87 but won nothing under David Pleat Hod, Clive Allen (49 goals) Ardiles. It is n our DNA and hence the reason why most of our trophies are cups and not league titles. Arsenal pre wenger had a reputation of being hard to beat(1-0 to the arsenal) hence your better record of titles. We have a glorious heritage of skilful pleasing on the eye football and players, from the days of Blanchflower, Greaves etc, Mackay, Jennings, Chivers, Peters through to Hoddle, Villa Ardiles, Klinsmann, Ginola, and latterly Berbatov,Van Der Vart, Bale etc I am balanced enough to know you also have had some players in the same ilk (though most of them are under Wenger)Henry, Bergakmp, Fabregas, Nasri etc

    I don’t know when you started watching football but both clubs competed consistently between each other in post war until Wenger arrived in 95, and each had periods of dominance. 96- 2005 was a dreadful time for THFC but we have been on the march back since and with a new stadium due to be started next year there is no reason why our future should not be bright. We stand proud of our football name, history and future in N17 and look forward to competing with you in the years to come.

    • JustaFlea_inBale’sarse_hair

      You competed consistently with us? Not only are you a cunt, you’re a religious and delusional one at that. So let’s see, you’re a cunt, you support a joke of a team, you’re deluded, and you’re Christian? lol.

      Die.

      • ladyarse

        Absolutely no need for this type of comment.

    • ladyarse

      I’d advise you to have a look at the author’s name on this piece. Not that I don’t agree with what he has said, but this is an Arsenal blog. Shockingly, it offers an Arsenal persepective.

  • Raven

    Lovely written piece. Good perception. Only thing Spurs have over Arsenal is their club formed before ours. Somehow though they got lost along the way between then and now. Lol.

  • Auxtus

    Its amazing the sp*rs supporters are obsessed with Arsenal. What were you expecting on this blog after we comfortably spanked your silly ass? Truth is, I’m not comfortable we making beating the spuds a big deal, its only a big deal when they defeat us which I do not see happening in a long time. Talking about Adebyebye being sent off, the rules are clear and 11 players actually came onto the pitch for spuds so WTF? Think about this you lil sp*rs fans, maybe Friedel actually paid Ade to get sent off to win his place back…Well, That’s a topic for another day

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